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The real issue is not the FAA, it's a handful of politicos that are:
A) unfamiliar with GA and/or
B) against GA
These are the folks that are stirring the hornets nest. While I agree the
person who breaks the rules should be the only one punished, that is not the
way it works. So, if we encourage fellow Ercoupers not to break the rules
by flying a "D" in the sport category, we are doing what needs to be done to
protect our own freedoms and privileges.
Keep in mind this thread was started because one of out groups said he was
going to fly his D in the sport category, not fly it into the Whitehouse.
He is not a nut or a crazy, just a guy like us that is perhaps not aware of
the consequences to all of us if he bends the rules.
Glen Davis CFII
Grumman Tiger N70GD
1946 Ercoupe N3103H
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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Flying Smart?
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Actually, there is a difference between the act of an insane person
(the pilot deciding to take out the Reichstag along with himself) and
civil disobedience, which is what I would consider it if lots of
people began flying heavier planes with sport pilot credentials.
It is kind of silly to try to set up defenses against true loons -
how can we possibly think like them and consider all of the crazy
actions they might take? However, the lawmakers in Washington, DC,
are considering similar rules not because of craziness, but because
of the simple inattention and ignorance of a couple of pilots.
But a bunch of pilots flying illegally is a different story. If the
FAA makes rules about flying as a sport pilot and no one follows
them, then we are descending into chaos. And I personally do not
believe that changing the rules to match the behaviors of people is a
good idea. If we allow the 1400 pound 415Ds, it won't be long until
people are flying 1450 pound Alons, and then when we allow that it
won't be long until people are flying 1600 pound C150s, and then it
won't be long until - well, until we allow sport pilots to fly twins!
The limit has to be in place, and for every limit, there will ALWAYS
be what appears to be a logical next step up, after all, it's so close!
I'm really happy the 415C fits into this category, as it allows me to
fly under the Sport Pilot rule for relatively little money. I
believe, that the FAA decided the rules were the rules and the market
would have to grow to fit the rules, not vice versa.
Just my thoughts, no more informed or valid than anyone else's!
Schöne Grüsse aus Missouri!
Larry
N99340
On Nov 24, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Hartmut Beil wrote:
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Glen.
I understand your concerns and I am totally with you.
But I ask why, if someone breaks the rule, are all that are not breaking
the rule have to be punished?
This makes no sense and is totally unfair. That is the same if some one
steals something somewhere we all have to be put in chains. Not right I
think. And not helpful either.
One example from the weird world in Europe, Germany.
Last summer one Ultralight pilot lost his mind in an argument with his
wife and killed her.
The wife was missed by many folks and the police started searching and
questioning the Ultralight pilot. He realized that it is just a matter of
time until they get him.
He decided to leave this world with a bang. He flew his son for the last
time around an airport close to Berlin, Germany, landed, sent him home
and took off again toward Berlin downtown. That is due to all the
airports here in controlled airspace.
He flew in there without talking to the controllers and made it right to
the heart of the German government, the German Reichstag. He crash landed
his plane in front of the Reichstag - no one was hurt. He was dead.
Of course the politicians got scared. They could not understand how a
airplane like that was undetected by radar and could go so far. They
already saw the Reichstag collapse.
Result: A No fly zone has been established over Berlins Center. We all
who fly by the rules are not allowed to fly there anymore. But the next
guy who does not give a shit of the rules can of course fly there. No one
will stop him. And if he kills himself, no one can even sentence him to
anything. The ruling is hurting the GA business around Berlin.
Sightseeing is out of a question. The decision of some scared cluesless
politiciansis hurting the economy but does not add anymore security to
the area.
Get my drift?
The punishment of the law obeying folks does not stop the criminals. Or
the non-obeying folks.
If I would be part of the FAA and find out that a lot of people are being
caught flying in 415-D s , claiming it to be a sport pilot plane, then I
have to look at the rules again and see how I can implement these folks
without having them or someone else hurt. Simple as that. I would just
have Univair come up with a new addition to the TC that would give all
Ercoupes a chance to be included with new weight limits and stall speeds.
Simple
Adding more and more restrictions to the society will end up in the
society overthrowing the restrictions. Or if the group is just big
enough, everyone is just ignoring it.
Or are you driving 65 on the freeway ?
Hartmut
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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:54 PM
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Last night, I read the latest issue of the NTSB reports. One report was
about a guy who was not authorized, "borrowing" a Citation jet and going
for a joy ride with 5 friends. He landed safely. No one was hurt and
the airplane was not damaged. Because this guy broke the rules, there
are two senators proposing the following:
1. Every airport in the country be fenced in (using tax dollars).
2. Every pilot file a flight plan for every flight.
3. Further restricted/prohibited areas around major cities (as we have
now in DC).
AOPA and a team of others are fighting these proposals but the point is
this...this pilot broke the rules and because of that, I may lose some of
my freedoms and privileges. Those people against general aviation pick up
on these rather "minor" infractions and exploit them, doing irrevocable
harm to the rest of the aviation community. Please don't break the
rules, as ridiculous as they may be, by flying anything but a C or CD
Ercoupe in the Sport category...it really could ruin it for the rest of
us.
While I am on this diatribe...
I keep my Grumman Tiger at HPN, White Plains, NY. It is tied down in an
area about 1/4 mile from the FBO building. The entire airport is
fenced-in and locked. There is a door in the security fence very close
to my airplane. I was given a key to this door by the FBO along with a
dozen or so others who have airplanes in this tie-down area. We were
warned by the FBO to make sure this door is locked after we enter through
it. It has a heavy spring to automatically close it. To force it to
stay open, one would have to place a rock under it to jam it open. On
three occasions, someone did just that, jammed a rock under the door so
his friends could come in through that door and he would not have to wait
for them to let them in. Now that door has been permanently closed by
the TSA. All the plane owners in that tiedown area have to park at the
FBO, walk through the building and walk about 1/4 mile, carrying all our
stuff, because some selfish guy broke the rules and placed a rock under
the door. Please don't break the rules, as ridiculous as they may be, by
flying anything but a C or CD Ercoupe in the Sport category...it really
could ruin it for the rest of us.
Glen Davis CFII
Grumman Tiger N70GD
1946 Ercoupe N3103H
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Flying without medical, current airworthiness,unauthorized
modifications, etc might not advisable.
Saturday in ****** we were at an EAA breakfast and a poker run with
other airparks. A pilot and passenger flew in from ******* in a
beautiful aircraft with a turbo-prop, made a fantastic low level pass
down the runway, fast, very fast and then some. The aircraft was designed
like a small P51. After breakfast he lined up for take off. The pilot
seemed to apply full power for maybe a max performance takeoff (show
time). Seconds after starting his roll the aircraft started weaving (tri-
gear) and heading slightly off to the left. I don't know why he did not
cut power then but continued at what seemed full power and got the left
main off pavement, right main was off the ground. The aircraft continued
like this for about 300' , hit the ground with left tire and left wing
very low,then started to climb, went into a steep climb with left roll
and turn till inverted at about 200' AGL then dove back to earth killing
himself and his friend. The aircraft missed all the houses, people and
my wife's Aircoupe. I don't know why he didn't pull power off when he
was still on the ground, I can only guess.
I hope these facts did not keep the pilot from aborting and having to
report a possible minor ground accident
The aircraft appears to only have 20 hours since new, a passenger in an
experimental without the 40 hours flown off.
The aircraft did not have any approval to fly or an airworthiness
certificate of any kind, no record of any FAA Inspection approval at all.
If this is true and so far it is there will probably be no insurance (if
he had found someone to insure it) to pay for his friends funeral or help
take care of the family People that own the crash site must pay for
cleanup (fuel spill) but most likely everyone will sue the wife (estate).
Really sucks when one gets caught breaking the rules this way.
I get fed up with rules and often did break a few rules and still want
to do my own thing but then I ask myself, what will happen to my family
and friends if I screw up and they have to deal with my mess? For me
that's the bottom line
Flying 40 years and still having fun.
Johnny
Johnny Thompson
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