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>>your own intemperate rantings,e.g., "CRAZY RANTS/NONSENSE LUNATIC RANTINGS/the writer is an idiot",etc. to be off base, and possibly influenced by your employment by MICROSOFT.<< As a totally disinterested party, I have to say the original post certainly had the flavor of a rant by someone who had an axe to grind with Microsoft. Many years back, when Microsoft came out with a new version of MS Word, the new version created files the older versions couldn't read or edit. It didn't take them long to learn their lesson: Backward compatibility was a requirement if they wanted to continue to sell into the corporate world. As Ed pointed out, most of the allegations simply are not true. It is in the interests of the peripheral manufacturers to have their products supported as widely as possible, and, for the most part, if Microsoft doesn't support them, they'll come up with their own drivers. I went to the HP web site and found I could download Vista drivers for an HP IIP+, my first laser printer, circa ~1987. This printer came with 512K (not megs) of memory and has long since gone to that great peripheral graveyard in the sky. John Cooper, A&P Skyport Services PO Box 249 4996 Delaware Tnpk Rensselaerville, NY 12147 518 797-3064 Fax 518 797-3865 www.skyportservices.net Calm yourself, Mitch. I did not receive a "PLEASE MAIL THIS TO...." e-mail nor did I suggest that any Couper do so. I use WIN XP and have been considering purchase of VISTA. I received the info in an e-mail from an old friend who has no ax to grind in the matter (he didn't write it), and thought it might be of interest to other Coupers. It was. I cannot agree with or disagree with your remarks, since I am not a computer expert. However, even though I don't personally know the writer of the material in question, I consider your own intemperate rantings,e.g., "CRAZY RANTS/NONSENSE LUNATIC RANTINGS/the writer is an idiot",etc. to be off base, and possibly influenced by your employment by MICROSOFT. DON _____ > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:16:25 -0500 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] WINDOWS VISTA - caution > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > I was going to stay out of this....really I was...it's just too > silly...and total BS. Ed Burkhead did a very good job of debunking the > worst of the misinformation so I will try not to repeat what he has > pointed out. > > > _FIRST and FOREMOST_ > > If you use email for any length of time you are going to get email > includes with the phase ?PLEASE EMAIL THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ....? > > > This is the first sign that everything you just read is total BS. The > goal of this type email is to see how far and how fast it can spread, > it's like a virus, but contains no malicious code...who needs a virus to > spread the crazy rants when you can just add the phrase ?PLEASE EMAIL > THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ....? > > > _NEXT...._ > > > ? With 512MB because the vista version on the computer is an abbreviated > version called BASIC...? > > > Is it a bad thing that there is a version that will run on systems that > only have 512mb of RAM? Or that there are other version(s) with more > features that require more RAM? I play a lot with LINUX too, and one of > the things that the LINUX community LOVES about LINUX is that there are > distributions that are geared towards systems with less RAM and slower > processors, and there are distros and features that can take advantage > of all of the hardware you can throw at them. Choice, it's a good thing. > > If you don't want or need the features in VISTA that need more RAM, then > you have the choice to use Vista Home Basic and stick with 512mb. My > wife runs Vista Ultimate on her laptop ( last years Compaq Presario > R4000) with 768mb and it runs great. Personally, I've always preferred > 1gb (or more) even with XP, or Linux > > > Guess what...that new Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movie will not play in last > years DVD player either....guess they should be condemned. > > > _BOGUS ALERT!..._ > > > ?print drivers will only be upgrade by each printer mfg going back 18 > months so if your printer is Older than that, you will have to purchase > a new printer ? > > > Whoever wrote this has not looked at the extensive list of printer > drivers that have shipped with Vista. My 10+ year old HP LaserJet 4 > works great, and there are many, many models of out of production > printers that will still work with Vista. Now there are ?entities? out > there that want and really need for you to buy a new printer....it's > your printer manufacturer, not Microsoft. There are also many printers > that are not supported by Linux or MAC OSX, no difference here. You know > what? In many cases, if you are using inkjet printers, the ink > cartridges in the printer cost as much or more than the printer. If this > applies to your printer, next time you run low on ink, replace the > printer with one that is supported by the OS of your choice. > > > _Lol...NEWBIE ALERT....._ > > ?If your new computer comes with vista ......... all the chips and video > cards, sound cards etc will only work with Vista installed so that Is > definetly not an option..? > > > Total BS, I don't know of a single piece of hardware that is only > supported under Vista. If you are a hardware manufacturer, why would you > build hardware that ONLY worked on the NEW operating system that is just > hitting the street? IT will NOT HAPPEN. Someday when Vista and it's > later derivatives have enough desktops to justify it, some vendors will > no longer write drivers to support XP...but that day is a LOONNNGGG way > off. Your current hardware will likely be thrown out before that. > > > _NONSENSE, LUNITIC RANTINGS..._ > > > ?THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THIS INFO BEFORE PURCHASING PRODUCTS THAT WILL > CONTROL THEM AS VISTA IS DOING.... THIS IS INSANITY THAT THE COMPANIES > CAN HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER US.? > > > Obviously you are in control here, he even mentions different versions > of Vista with different HW requirements...you choose based on your > needs...or you may stay on XP...or you may select another platform > and/or OS completely. I'd say the guy is an idiot, but I am sure even he > does not believe his rantings, it's just his attempt at social > engineering. Trust me...upgrading to Vista does not mean that you have > been assimilated. :-) > > > _WAY TOO SILLY TO COMMENT ON...._ > > So I will... > > ?So I guess we all have to dig deep in our pockets this next year to > Upgrade everything we own to Vistas specifications... Thank you very > much bill gates, your jerk? > > I'm sure that when the new Nintendo or Wii shipped , this guy didn't > call the founders of those companies jerks....He's calling BillG a jerk > because new technology was developed...silly, childish nonsense. He > doesn't ?HAVE? to buy anything..it's his choice. There may be many > reasons someone wants to call BillG a jerk...but come on, releasing new > software is the least one of all. > > > Now it would not be fair for me to post this and not admit my biases. I > do use XP and Vista, and I also have Linux running on at least 3 > machines at home ( we're a family of computer nerds I guess, with at > least 9 systems...most running 24x7). And I'd love to have a Mac-Mini , > I should probably scour over Ebay. But I am a long time (nearly 12 years > now) employee of Microsoft. That means that you can and should take all > my comments with a grain of salt, think for yourself. Even if you > disagree with nearly everything I have said....please consider the most > important point...the first point I made. When you see ??PLEASE EMAIL > THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW ....? in any piece of email, regardless of the > topic. Just say NO...until you have verified the facts...and even then, > sleep on it first...I did. > > > Regards, > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles Waldo wrote: > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > Ed > > I could not have said it better myself. I have been working in the > > computer industry for 20 plus years and you where right on (as usual).... > > Chuck > > N94191 > > > > */Ed Burkhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > Don, > > Thanks for posting that message on FLYIN. (The right place for > > such a discussion.) This is important to all of our computer-using > > community. > > I think about 2/3rds of the points in the message are bunk or > > hoaxes but some of those points have some validity. > > Me, I?m not planning to upgrade any of my current computers to > > Vista. Heck, only my best one could even handle it at all and I?d > > need a couple of upgrades on that. > > I think XP will keep me happy for quite a while. Comments > > interspersed below. > > Don?s friend wrote: > > Ok, here is the vista update as many of you are writing to me with > > suggestions... > > 1) as of January 30th all computers with XP were ordered back to > > manfg to get Vista on them > > I think he must have meant the new computers in the stores. > > Indeed, many manufacturers keep selling with the old operating > > system for years because knowledgeable buyers often won?t buy a > > new operating system in the first year it?s out. */Very/* few > > businesses will change their computers over to the new operating > > system in that first year. > > XP has tome time left to go. > > 2) I took my vista computer back to Walmart as did many other > > customers, we were told that > > Since the machine was basically working they would not take them > > back and they had no > > More computers with XP on them > > Apparently, this guy was dissatisfied with his cheapie machine > > loaded down with a heavy operating system and way too little RAM > > memory. Perhaps it would have been fine with a bunch more RAM. > > Whenever you are short on RAM, your computer will be a dog. This > > affects performance more than speed, in my experience. > > I got bit by this when I upgraded my laptop and my daughter?s > > computer to XP Home. The memory on both those computers is > > insufficient for XP which really needs 512 MB RAM. My laptop is > > limited by its hardware to 256 (and it?s full) and my daughter?s > > computer had an old motherboard which was limited to 196 MB. They > > run pretty well after they finish loading but it takes forever to > > load XP Home and for it to settle down ready to run. > > With XP, 512 isn?t bad but it?s happier with 1 GB. With Vista, I?d > > at least double those numbers. > > If you buy a computer with Vista, you can go out and buy a > > consumer copy of XP and I?d be mighty surprised if you had any > > problems running XP on your new machine ? at least for quite a > > while. Remember, 99.9% of all computers out there are running XP > > or something older. > > If you are buying a new computer and want XP, I?d buy from a > > vendor that offers it with a choice of operating system. > > 3) called emachine and they are not allowed to sell or put XP on > > anymore machines after Jan 30^th > > That?d be a strange contract with Microsoft. That?s what happens > > when you go with a bottom feeder manufacturer. > > 4) even though Microsoft says a minimum of 1GB RAM, eMachine > > (Gateway) can sell the computer > > With 512MB because the vista version on the computer is an > > abbrviated version called BASIC and I would have > > To pay $239.00 more for the PREMIUM VERSION or $399.00 more for > > the ULTIMATE VERSION. > > When you buy a computer with an operating system already > > installed, you?re usually getting Windows at a reduced OEM price ? > > sometimes a really reduced price. But that?s true too if you buy > > the computer from a company that offers options for the operating > > system. > > If you buy from a consumer vendor that only sells Vista (at the > > discount price), you?ll have to pay full consumer price to get one > > of the better Vista options. > > 5) print drivers will only be upgrade by each printer mfg going > > back 18 months so if your printer is > > Older than that, you will have to purchase a new printer to work > > on Vista. > > This might be a real bite for some Vista buyers. I have an older > > wide carriage photo printer that works perfectly and I?m not > > planning to replace it in the near (couple of years) future. > > But my scanner has driver problems with XP because it?s too old. > > It does work with the XP built in scanning functions, but not with > > as nice of software as came with it, originally. > > 6) digital camera users will have to go thru the same thing > > waiting for new drivers to become available > > From your camera mfg.. And depending on the camera, mine is two > > years old and will not get new > > Drivers so I will have to replace my camera > > This may be one of the least important worries. Unless you have a > > /really/ old camera or a /really/ cheap one, you have a memory > > card. Just put your card into the new computer?s card reader and > > it?s treated like a hard drive ? just copy the pictures up to your > > real hard drive then clean off the card. Be happy. > > True, some image manipulating software may not run on future > > computers. This is mostly only a problem for hyper-perfectionists > > who shoot in RAW format. RAW format needs special software to be > > understood, edited and converted. If you get to the point where > > you can?t get conversion software, you may loose the use of old > > formats which are in a camera?s RAW format or any proprietary > > format. (I?m still looking for software to convert some of my very > > old Kodak DCS proprietary format pictures.) Files in JPEG (.jpg) > > format should be safe for the long term. > > 7) getting thru to any of the tech supports for any computer > > related product is almost impossible I am > > So frustrated about holding two and 1/2 hours only to get hung up > > on.... > > You pay for tech support with every purchase. If you buy cheap, > > you?re buying cheap or no tech support, says the guy who has done > > years of computer manufacturer call-in tech support. I recommend > > pre-made computers from companies who get good ratings for their > > tech support. (Sorry, I haven?t been watching the ratings in the > > last few years ? I assemble my own from parts now-a-days.) > > And lastly, if your new computer comes with vista you cannot > > format it and use a copy of XP > > Because all the chips and video cards, sound cards etc will only > > work with Vista installed so that > > Is definetly not an option... So I guess we all have to dig deep > > in our pockets this next year to > > Upgrade everything we own to Vistas specifications... Thankyou > > very much bill gates, your jerk > > This, I think, is mostly bunk. It?s possible that some > > manufacturer will include some parts that won?t be supported with > > XP. These will be either bottom-feeder companies or good companies > > where you have an operating system choice and you */choose/* a > > Vista optimized machine. I think it?ll be a while before this > > becomes a real problem. > > But, if you buy factory made, buy it with the operating system you > > want and make sure it works with any essential accessories before > > you buy. If you buy from a computer integrator local company, be > > sure you pick a competent one and be sure you?re not buying the > > first build of any package. > > For now, you get what you pay for. 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