Thanks Bob and I hope you do that for many many years! All the best, John
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM, BobD KSVE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > John, > Thank you...you are the man!!! > I did not have any idea that there were so many ways to get into the Sport > Pilot thing. I'm still a happy couper plugging along with my PPSEL. > > Bob D. > > --- In [email protected] <ercoupe-tech%40yahoogroups.com>, John > Craparo <john.crap...@...> wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > There are several paths to flying with Sport Pilot privileges. I will > > outline three possible ways, but there are other combinations that are > > possible. > > > > 1. A zero time pilot trains specifically to Sport Pilot proficiency > levels > > with a CFI or CFI-S and receives a log book endorsement and an > endorsement > > on Form 8710-11. The individual then takes a Proficiency flight with > > another CFI or DPE. If the Proficiency flight is passed, the person > > receives the Sport Pilot Certificate through a fully endorsed 8710-11 and > > can exercise the privileges if they fly an LSA qualified aircraft, have > at > > least a current Class 3 medical or a current State issued drivers > license. > > > > 2. A currently certificated plot, for instance a Private Pilot in Multi > > Engine Airplanes, can allow their Medical to lapse (not be turned down > for > > the medical). If that person holds a current and valid State drivers > > license, they can now fly with Sport Pilot priviliges in an LSA single > > engine land plane. No change occurs to their certificate or to the FAA > > database. The pilot is self certififying that they are medically fit to > fly > > the LSA airplane. No report to the FAA needs to be filed but the pilot is > > now limited to LSA land airplanes. > > > > 3. A currently certificated pilot (can be Sport Pilot or above) would > like > > to fly an additional category of aircraft. He or she may take lessons and > > required hours for the new category with a CFI qualified in that > category. > > They may also have to take the FAA Written exam (for instance a Private > > Pilot Balloon pilot would need to take the Sport Pilot written exam if > > moving to a powered category of aircraft). Once the CFI endorses them for > a > > providiciency ride on an 8710-11, a second CFI who is qualified in the > new > > category sought, can administer the Proficiency examination. If passed, > an > > endorsed 8710-11 is sent to Oklahoma City. > > > > If you are flying under scenario 2, the "not printed on the certificate" > > will not apply. If you are flying under scenario 1, you will receive a > > plastic certificate with a Sport Pilot rating on it, but there will not > be > > any informatino on category. The FAA database will show that the pilot > has > > a Sport Pilot certificate, but after the privilege, for instance ASEL if > > will say "not printed on the certificate." If you are flying under > scenario > > 3 you will not receive a new certificate, only the FAA database will show > > the additinal Sport Pilot privileges with the line "not printed on the > > certificate." > > > > So, why should anyone care: > > > > 1. Pilots who let their medicals lapse should not care as long as they > are > > flying an LSA they qualify to fly. A Private powered parachute pilot > cannot > > let their medical lapse and then start flying an LSA land airplane > without > > training in the new category. > > 2. Pilots who train as Sport Pilots cannot produce evidence by way of > their > > certificate as to the category of aircraft they are allowed to fly > > (airplane, balloon, glider, powered parachute, weight shift control or > > gyroplane) during a ramp check. They would need to show their logbook > > endorsement. > > 3. Pilots who have added a Sport Pilot privilege to their certificate are > in > > the same situation as scenario 2. Their certificate will only provide > > evidence of Private Pilot or above privileges, with no mention of > > qualifcations to fly other categories. > > > > What is changing: > > > > When the Final Rule on Sport Pilot became effective on April 2, 2010 some > > changes went into effect regarding the 6 year old Sport Pilot program. > > These include dropping the requirement that Sport Pilots carry their > > logbooks with them during flight. A pilot can now carry a copy of their > > endorsements. Some administrative changes were made (not regulatory). The > > Administrator recognized the burden not having Sport Pilot privileges > listed > > on the certificate and a decision was made to add them in scenario 2 and > 3 > > above. In the case of 1, the category would be added as the certifcate > > issued does state Sport Pilot. In scenario 2 the added categories will > also > > appear on newly issued certificates showing the additinal categories that > > can be flown with Sport Pilot Privileges. > > > > Some of this may become clearer if you browse through the FAA database > at: > > https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/ > > > > Keep in mind, that some people completed scenario 2 and 3 and the FAA > > believes that no paperwork was ever sent to the FAA (8710-11). This has > > caused a gap in their records and the FAA is asking anyone who does not > show > > privileges earned in the FAA database to get an 8710-11 submitted. > > > > Best, > > John > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:59 AM, BobD KSVE <bevbob...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Please set me straight, > > > I thought that if you just flew with your driver's liscense that was > it. > > > When do you get on an FAA data base? > > > Thanks, > > > Bob D. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > <ercoupe-tech%40yahoogroups.com><ercoupe-tech% > 40yahoogroups.com>, John > > > > Craparo <john.craparo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > For instance, if you have a Private Pilot in Gliders, nothing else > > > appears > > > > on the certificate. When this change is made I believe, it will list: > > > > > > > > Private Pilot Privileges > > > > Glider > > > > Sport Pilot Privileges > > > > Airplane Single Engine Land > > > > Powered Parachute Land > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > The only place this shows up today, would be in your log book as an > > > > endorsement or set of endorsements and in the FAA Database if an > 8710-11 > > > was > > > > filed by the person who gave the proficiency flight... In the > database > > > > listing it shows them followed by Not Printed on Certificate in red > > > letters. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM, John Cooper <john@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/3/2010 9:13 PM, John Craparo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This week you will receive a letter from the FAA explaining that > a > > > new > > > > > > pilot certificate will be delivered that shows your Sport Pilot > > > > > Privileges > > > > > OK, I'll bite. If it's not printed on the certificate, what is > [printed > > > > > on the certificate]? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > John > > > > > Skyport East > > > > > www.skyportservices.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
