Please note that in scenario number 1, a DPE is required to conduct the practical test. In this case a CFI or CFI-S cannot administer the proficiency check ride.
Thanks, John On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 7:44 AM, John Craparo <[email protected]> wrote: > Bob, > > There are several paths to flying with Sport Pilot privileges. I will > outline three possible ways, but there are other combinations that are > possible. > > 1. A zero time pilot trains specifically to Sport Pilot proficiency levels > with a CFI or CFI-S and receives a log book endorsement and an endorsement > on Form 8710-11. The individual then takes a Proficiency flight with > another CFI or DPE. If the Proficiency flight is passed, the person > receives the Sport Pilot Certificate through a fully endorsed 8710-11 and > can exercise the privileges if they fly an LSA qualified aircraft, have at > least a current Class 3 medical or a current State issued drivers license. > > 2. A currently certificated plot, for instance a Private Pilot in Multi > Engine Airplanes, can allow their Medical to lapse (not be turned down for > the medical). If that person holds a current and valid State drivers > license, they can now fly with Sport Pilot priviliges in an LSA single > engine land plane. No change occurs to their certificate or to the FAA > database. The pilot is self certififying that they are medically fit to fly > the LSA airplane. No report to the FAA needs to be filed but the pilot is > now limited to LSA land airplanes. > > 3. A currently certificated pilot (can be Sport Pilot or above) would like > to fly an additional category of aircraft. He or she may take lessons and > required hours for the new category with a CFI qualified in that category. > They may also have to take the FAA Written exam (for instance a Private > Pilot Balloon pilot would need to take the Sport Pilot written exam if > moving to a powered category of aircraft). Once the CFI endorses them for a > providiciency ride on an 8710-11, a second CFI who is qualified in the new > category sought, can administer the Proficiency examination. If passed, an > endorsed 8710-11 is sent to Oklahoma City. > > If you are flying under scenario 2, the "not printed on the certificate" > will not apply. If you are flying under scenario 1, you will receive a > plastic certificate with a Sport Pilot rating on it, but there will not be > any informatino on category. The FAA database will show that the pilot has > a Sport Pilot certificate, but after the privilege, for instance ASEL if > will say "not printed on the certificate." If you are flying under scenario > 3 you will not receive a new certificate, only the FAA database will show > the additinal Sport Pilot privileges with the line "not printed on the > certificate." > > So, why should anyone care: > > 1. Pilots who let their medicals lapse should not care as long as they are > flying an LSA they qualify to fly. A Private powered parachute pilot cannot > let their medical lapse and then start flying an LSA land airplane without > training in the new category. > 2. Pilots who train as Sport Pilots cannot produce evidence by way of > their certificate as to the category of aircraft they are allowed to fly > (airplane, balloon, glider, powered parachute, weight shift control or > gyroplane) during a ramp check. They would need to show their logbook > endorsement. > 3. Pilots who have added a Sport Pilot privilege to their certificate are > in the same situation as scenario 2. Their certificate will only provide > evidence of Private Pilot or above privileges, with no mention of > qualifcations to fly other categories. > > What is changing: > > When the Final Rule on Sport Pilot became effective on April 2, 2010 some > changes went into effect regarding the 6 year old Sport Pilot program. > These include dropping the requirement that Sport Pilots carry their > logbooks with them during flight. A pilot can now carry a copy of their > endorsements. Some administrative changes were made (not regulatory). The > Administrator recognized the burden not having Sport Pilot privileges listed > on the certificate and a decision was made to add them in scenario 2 and 3 > above. In the case of 1, the category would be added as the certifcate > issued does state Sport Pilot. In scenario 2 the added categories will also > appear on newly issued certificates showing the additinal categories that > can be flown with Sport Pilot Privileges. > > Some of this may become clearer if you browse through the FAA database at: > https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/ > > Keep in mind, that some people completed scenario 2 and 3 and the FAA > believes that no paperwork was ever sent to the FAA (8710-11). This has > caused a gap in their records and the FAA is asking anyone who does not show > privileges earned in the FAA database to get an 8710-11 submitted. > > Best, > John > > > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:59 AM, BobD KSVE <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Please set me straight, >> I thought that if you just flew with your driver's liscense that was it. >> When do you get on an FAA data base? >> Thanks, >> Bob D. >> >> >> --- In [email protected] <ercoupe-tech%40yahoogroups.com>, >> John Craparo <john.crap...@...> wrote: >> > >> > For instance, if you have a Private Pilot in Gliders, nothing else >> appears >> > on the certificate. When this change is made I believe, it will list: >> > >> > Private Pilot Privileges >> > Glider >> > Sport Pilot Privileges >> > Airplane Single Engine Land >> > Powered Parachute Land >> > etc... >> > >> > The only place this shows up today, would be in your log book as an >> > endorsement or set of endorsements and in the FAA Database if an 8710-11 >> was >> > filed by the person who gave the proficiency flight... In the database >> > listing it shows them followed by Not Printed on Certificate in red >> letters. >> > >> > Best, >> > John >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM, John Cooper <j...@...>wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 9/3/2010 9:13 PM, John Craparo wrote: >> > > > >> > > > This week you will receive a letter from the FAA explaining that a >> new >> > > > pilot certificate will be delivered that shows your Sport Pilot >> > > Privileges >> > > OK, I'll bite. If it's not printed on the certificate, what is >> [printed >> > > on the certificate]? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > John >> > > Skyport East >> > > www.skyportservices.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > >
