Until modules are shipping in engines we will have to continue to add globals. On Sep 22, 2014 8:03 PM, "John Barton" <johnjbar...@google.com> wrote:
> A way to start would add new built-ins only in modules. > jjb > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Isiah Meadows <impinb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Transitioning the native API to modules is more of a proposed long term >> goal of this proposal. It'll take years to fully realize. >> On Sep 22, 2014 3:10 PM, "Isiah Meadows" <impinb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> @Brendan I'm aware of that pattern. For now, I'm more concerned about >>> the option of modules. It would be nice to import the standard library >>> features you need, and if, for some reason, one of the API natives get >>> overwritten, you have a fallback. >>> On Sep 22, 2014 1:18 PM, "Brendan Eich" <bren...@mozilla.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: >>>> >>>>> OnMon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Domenic Denicola >>>>> <dome...@domenicdenicola.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > From: es-discuss [mailto:es-discuss-boun...@mozilla.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Isiah Meadows >>>>>> >>>>>>> >> I know this would break a lot of backwards compatibility >>>>>>> completely, so this is purely hypothetical, and I expect this to not >>>>>>> have a >>>>>>> realistic chance anytime soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Anything that breaks backward compatibility will not have a >>>>>> chance, realistic or otherwise,*ever*. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To square this with Matthew's response, the original idea was to >>>>> *also* expose the core functionality as modules, to give you the >>>>> ability to grab "clean" versions of any standard functions you wanted, >>>>> while the preexisting global versions would still be there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Right! >>>> >>>> Isaih, this is good news: you can't insist on removing stuff, but if >>>> you put the cleanups and better organization in new clothes, the old drab >>>> ones will fade into disuse (even if they don't ever go away). >>>> >>>> This is kind of a "law of the Web." It turns out compat does break, and >>>> no one notices (much), over very long timeframes. At least, we saw this >>>> going from the early Web to the modern days, with a few things (corner >>>> cases in JS and CSS table layout). But these were never predictable, or >>>> major. >>>> >>>> With strict-by-default modules, we can hope for 'with' to whither away >>>> over a decade. I wouldn't bet on it, since strict mode is still opt-in and >>>> will be for <script>, forever. >>>> >>>> /be >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> es-discuss mailing list >> es-discuss@mozilla.org >> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > es-discuss mailing list > es-discuss@mozilla.org > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss > >
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