On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Eric Wasylishen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ok. We should probably mention 0.4.2 and possibly 0.4.3. I expect
>> 0.4.2 at the beginning in the coming months (probably in July).
>
> Nice, I added your list for 0.4.2 and started one for 0.4.3
>
>>> -Finally, I added "Events & Publications",
>>> http://etoileos.com/eventspublications/.
>>
>> Very nice. You could add the following ones I think (David might have
>> other suggestions too):
>> - http://www.cs.swan.ac.uk/~csdavec/papers/google.pdf
>> - http://www.cs.swan.ac.uk/~csdavec/papers/languagekit.pdf
>> - http://www.swan.ac.uk/compsci/research/reports/2008/CSR14-2008.pdf
>
> Nicolas suggested I also  add a page with the embedded video for each
> of our talks at the hackathon.

or one page per video maybe (putting both the video and the slides together).

>
>>> My current plans are:
>>> - Start to use the sidebar for listing sub-pages in a section, rather
>>> than filling the page body with those h2 headers which are also links
>>> and verbose descriptions. This will leave more room on the page body
>>> for actual content (I started to do this on http://etoileos.com/dev/)
>>> Does this sound okay?
>>
>> I like the sidebar changes you did, but I'm not fully convinced the
>> rest of the page is bad. I'm not saying it cannot be improved though.
>>
>> A relatively detailed map of the developer oriented content seems to
>> be the most useful start page for a developer section. I tend to
>> dislike most developer portals because you have a bunch of clicks to
>> do when you want to access the actual content, or you cannot have a
>> quick overview of the whole developer section or you have one but
>> without short summaries and some links are then unclear.
>
> I agree, we want to minimize clicks to get to actual content, but also
> provide descriptions for links that might not be clear.
>
>> What sort of actual content would be interesting? What me currently
>> miss is perhaps Developer News and links to the core API references imo.
>
> For a new user clicking on "Development, ideally we have an
> introduction to Etoile's architecture, languages, etc. There is a lot
> that's different and interesting that we're doing, so I'd like to show
> that off right away.
>
> For existing users/developers, having things in the menu makes it
> easier to get directly to interesting pages.  I think we will have
> room in the sidebar to list each framework.
>
>
>> At least, I'd like to keep somewhere the small descriptions which
>> explain the purpose of each subsection… may be as tool tips on the
>> sidebar links if they are listed here?
>
> That would be good. A lot of the links are self-explanatory in my
> opinion (Coding Style, Compiling & Installing, Open Projects).
>
>
>>> -Redo the /etoile section to mostly be about the "vision", with a bit
>>> of a history section and a references section. There will links to
>>> different sets of mockups, maybe with one page dedicated to the latest
>>> agreed upon UI ideas?
>>
>> I think Vision should be on a different page and will probably need to
>> be splitted on two or three pages.
>> imo /etoile should keep a small overview with screenshots of Étoilé in
>> its current state. This quick overview could have a very obvious link
>> to the Vision page which explains every points of the quick overview
>> with plenty of details. Each list entry in the quick overview could
>> also be linked to specific parts in the Vision page(s).
>
> Sounds good. I think Vision (or "Goals") could be its own entry in the
> top bar, because it's one of the most important parts of the site.

I think so too.

>
>> Aside of that, the Features subsection of /etoile probably needs to be
>> reworked a bit.
> Agreed.
>
> Nicolas was saying to me on silc, if you're not following a project,
> the things you look for first are: 1/ screenshots 2/ goals 3/ current
> status 4/ download

basically, 1/ what does that looks like 2/ what is it, what do they
want to do 3/ where are they now 4/ I want to try it

#1-#2 probably interchangeable and in fact closely related.
#3 is imho well catered with the news page and the RSS stream of commits

> which I think is good to keep in mind.
>
>> Thanks again to tackle this Eric :-)
>
> No problem, I think it will be worth the effort :)

yes :)

thanks!

-- 
Nicolas Roard
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound
they make as they fly by." -- Douglas Adams

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