Hi!

Am 14.03.2007 um 17:58 schrieb Yen-Ju Chen:

Hi,

 Here is a proposal which occurs to me recently.
 We all know our horizontal menu (EtoileWildMenus) does not work well,
 but probably due to the internal design of GNUstep menu system.
 And personally, I am not a big fan horizontal menu.
But menu bar also serves a place to put the small icons for various functions. Therefore, I suggest to change the EtoileMenuServer to be a shorter bar
 only for such icons and use vertical menu as what GNUstep offers.
 1. vertical menu + icon bar = menubar
 2. vertical menu work better in the near future
 3. there is no loss of functionality, except change of habit
 4. icon bar adapt the same interface as EtoileMenuServer for menulet.
When we have a better EtoileWildMenus, everything will still work.
 5. icon bar can be put in different position as dock.
 6. Dock (AZDock) is too big for such small icons.
     Use dock for such functionality is a waste of space.
     And dock represents applications, not information.

I'm not sure if I completely understand what you mean by 'small icons' and 'icon bar'. Your ideas seem to resemble the ideas in Banlu's menubar mockups.

With icon-only menus, I'm usually a bit concerned that one day, I'll want to use an applications which icons are too bad that I could understand their meaning without an accompanying text. We shouldn't forget to include a good possibility to retrieve a description to these icons. (Do tooltips work on GNUstep with the new version?)

Another thing I'd like to throw in is the positioning of the Etoile menu. In both the Etoile and the Apple environment, I made the experience that I needed the application menu bar much more often than the Apple/Etoile menu. I'd like to move the Etoile menu to the right or make it accessible from somewhere else, so that the application menu is in the top right corner. (For aesthetics, we could have an application logo in the top left edge, like the standard GNUstep horizontal menu has.)

Does that sound reasonable? What do you think?

-Günther
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