Citát Quentin Mathé <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Le 30 mars 07 ŕ 09:02, Jesse Ross a écrit :
> 
> > So... lots of interface ideas flying back and forth around the list  
> > and SILC channel lately. ;)
> >
> > I started doing some mockups of some of these ideas, which you can  
> > check out here:
> >
> > http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/concepts/01/workspace_100.jpg
> > http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/concepts/01/workspace_200.jpg
> > http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/concepts/01/workspace_300.jpg
> > http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/concepts/01/workspace_400.jpg
> 
> Looks really nice.
> 
> > A lot of this stuff hasn't been agreed upon by everyone, but it  
> > helps to incite discussion by seeing it in a somewhat realistic  
> > form. Here's what the above are:
> >
> >
> > 100 is a view of a desktop with a single project on it. This  
> > project has been minimized.
> 
> I like the idea (except perhaps the fact the project is put on the  
> desktop). The possibility to put such project files/objects in the  
> Shelf would allow simple project switching. The question would be  
> then whether it's necessary to have a special tab to play this role  
> and only this one.
> 

see below...

> > 200 is a view of that same project zoomed in. I haven't determined  
> > how to indicate where you currently are in the hierarchy of  
> > projects, if that's even necessary.
> 
> I'm not sure we should support hierarchy of projects, I mean the user  
> won't get lost into this hierarchy by just creating a bunch of them,  
> yet I like the idea very much.
> To fight my own argument I could say it was used against hierarchical  
> folder feature more than twenty years ago. So my objection against  
> hierarchy of projects is surely specious ;-)
> 

I am lost in any kind of forced hierarchy as well. Lost after certain amount of
time - i do not remember when I put it. Lost when I need to save a document - I
can not decide where to put it, ito what branch of my document hierarchy. I
ended up using quite flat directory structure. Basically I rarely have more
than one level under my Documents:

~/Documents
~/Documents/project_name - all project related files
~/Documents/project_name/Archive - project related files, not used anymore
~/Documents/Archive/project_name - closed/suspended projects

It is not perfect, but now I can manage my files faster, as I do not need to
browse through wide tree structure of millions of categories and subcategories.
In addition, I am using color tags to mark actively used projects or for actual
projects. I did not even bothered to name the color tags, I just use colors
with their original names: orange, green, blue. The meaning varies.

Names of files and folders are as descriptive as possible, but not more than
necessary :-)

Simple. Not time consuming. Transparent.

If I had to put my project on a shelf, the shelf would quickly contain lots of
rubbish.

I want intelligent shelf that will observe what I do and will show me:
- most recently edited/viewed projects: today, last week, last two weeks, this
month, this year(*)
- most frequently edited projects
- projects not edited/viewed projects in last week, month, year, ...

Similar concepts:
- playcount in itunes
- recently added songs to iTunes
- recently played songs
- most frequently played songs
- recent/received/missed calls on your cell-phone
- on my K610i I have a nice feature: when I want to send a message I am
presented with a list of recently texted persons with 'Address book lookup' at
the top

(*) you can not do that with OS X smart/search folders. You can only find
files/dirs with certain modification date, but I want to find a folder which
contain files with certain modification date - that is, I want to find parent
of a file.

Another interesting and very simple concept for projects/files/objects can be
taken from Google applications: star and tag.

Really, I thing that we can live without hierarchy, without folders. Each
project/folder/call it how you like should be identified only by:
- name (subject)
- tags (textual or color)
- relevant dates/history: creation, modification, view
- star/flag or any kind of simple mark
This can be applied to anything on the system, from documents through
collections of documents (projects/folders) to emails, contacts, blog posts,
news from RSS feeds (see www.google.com/reader)

Additionaly there can be 'share' attribute, if you want to share the object with
someone else.

Each object can belong (have association with, be linked with,...) any project
or other object.

The shelf should therefore contain option to switch between most frequently used
filters and top x objects from that filter. For example:

[This week][This month][Frequently edited]<More...>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[Thesis draft][Summer Trip 2006-03 Photo Album][Personal Finances]<More...>

The shelf should not present more than 5 to 7 items. It should have the
<More...> button at the end of the list.

Hm?

Regards,

Stefan Urbanek [holding large "Get rid of folders" banner :-) ]
-- 
http://stefan.agentfarms.net

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi

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