Interesting +4, thanks a bundle!  I still have this ISA-bridge card,
which shows up as a device of some sort, to any OS.  Are you suggesting
that it is transparent, so the only configuration I should need to do is
for the PCMCIA device plugged into it?  Are you also suggesting that the
bridge should work for a whole slew of PCMCIA cards?  I'm not exactly
sure how old the thing is, but I got it before it got branded "Orinoco",
and was Lucent's first method for 802.11b on a desktop PC, iirc.

happy Sunday,

  BenB

On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 13:31, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 12:25:16PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote:
> > As a follow-up, does anyone have a concise and/or recent link on
> > ISA-PCMCIA bridge support in Linux?  I found a couple references, but
> > nothing that was really helpful in instructing me to us one -- I have
> > one of the old Lucent ones iirc, and have never been able to use my
> > pcmcia 802.11b card with a desktop system.  I since have it plugged into
> > my access point, and the ISA bridge sits useless... someone please tell
> > me it is not  = )
> 
> PCMCIA is an ISA-based standard.  Actually as it happens, PCMCIA is more
> or less an IDE interface with some interesting tweaks.  The devices on a
> PCMCIA controller are typically integrated versions of what you'd plug in
> to an ISA bus.  ie, they talk over ports, use interrupts, and use DMA
> channels.  This reduced the development costs of PCMCIA cards.
> 
> CardBus is an extension to the PCMCIA spec which allows for a bit of nice
> multiplexing.  The details I do not know for certain, but ISTR CardBus has
> the equivalent of PCI channels, again allowing for people making them to
> basically lift the logic from existing PCI devices and use it almost
> wholesale in the CardBus devices.
> 
> At some point, laptop makers decided PCMCIA sounded stupid and started
> calling the things "PC Cards".  This never caught on, but never really
> went away, and many geeks still call what's on their laptops PCMCIA slots.
> If your laptop was made in the past five years though, almost certainly
> they are actually CardBus slots.  Unless you're dealing with a PowerBook
> or iBook, the CardBus controller still provides the equivalent of an ISA
> bridge to talk to old PCMCIA cards.  This isn't really a slowdown, unless
> compared to using a CardBus device, which runs faster than 8MHz.
> 
> 
> If you cannot use the PCMCIA device on a CardBus controller and you're not
> running a Mac, I'd be surprised.
> 
> 
> > PS - Yes, it is ISA, not PCI.  Slows down the rest of the bus in a mixed
> > PCI/ISA machine afaik.
> 
> Every single PCI machine has an ISA bridge.  Your keyboard and floppy
> drives kinda depend on the ISA bus, after all.  Most people depend at
> least on these devices actually working at least some of the time.  The
> ISA side of an ISA-PCI bridge is only 8MHz, but this does not impact the
> speed of the PCI bus.
> 
> CardBus should not be any different.
-- 
Ben Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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