Classic car collectors have always found a way to keep vehicles going. The EV1 will be no different. There are a number of AC drives out there. I'm sure that the ones they use are somewhat off the shelf in that a compatible motor/ controller combo could be found. It might even work better. Worst case a motor/controller replacement. Lawrence Rhodes.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Keeping your EV-1 legally, or not
> nobody has said anything about who's going to fix this car when it brakes. > If you do find some way of keeping it, who would know how to fix it if > something brakes. It doesn't sound like the type you can just figure out as > you go along. Without the company's support/help when it stops working who > will fix it? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Kuehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: Keeping your EV-1 legally, or not > > > > > >Civil disobedience (and I have no problem calling this act by that > > >>name, since the goal is most definitely civic-minded) > > > > > >I wonder what the exact mechanics would be, because I think repo men > would be > > >dispatched immediately by GM. > > > > Well, as long as you are volunteering to break the law, you could > > just do as Vince suggested and hide the car while offering to buy it. > > That's theft, but the assumption is that you feel strongly enough > > that the consequences are worth it. Of course, you wouldn't want to > > involve anyone else in your hiding scheme, unless they, too, were > > prepared for the consequences as a co-conspirator. > > > > If you hide the car well enough, you may not even go to jail, as a > > court could side with you and order GM to accept payment, and then > > simply impose the same punishment on you as on any other first-time > > thief. That would require good lawyering, and certainly isn't an > > outcome you could rely on, but it is one distinct possibility. You'd > > definitely need real commitment to the cause to even try it, though > > > > David's "tie yourself to the car" approach could also work pretty > > well, as this would likely result in a couple of nights in jail and a > > relatively minor fine. The publicity would be shorter-lived than a > > prolonged court battle, but the downside is much easier to take. > > > > Anyone who would consider this should be aware that an attorney will > > be restricted in how he or she can advise you, as an attorney cannot > > actively assist in law-breaking. An attorney can only tell you in a > > hypothetical way what the possibilities might be and what the law is, > > and then formally advise you not to engage in law-breaking behavior. > > A truly ethical attorney who issued the hypothetical advice would > > probably not want to take you on as a defendant, so as to remain > > distant from the implication that he or she was a co-conspirator. > > > > >I wonder also if any consumer-rights organization would say that some > would-be > > >EV1 leasors were defrauded if GM deliberately delayed or prevented > delivery of > > >the vehicle? > > > > There is very likely no cause of action here, as there is no contract > > or other enforceable relationship between the parties. If GM were > > very formalistic about the way in which it accepted people onto its > > wait list and gave them some assurances that they were operating > > entirely on a first-come, first-served basis, there might be > > something. Everything I've heard, though, is that GM did what it > > could to duck even having a waiting list (quite possibly for this > > very reason). Where waiting lists were formed, they were very > > informal. The presumption is that GM can sell to whomever it wants, > > whenever it wants, with some very carefully-carved exceptions (such > > as race-based preferences). I very much doubt that there would be > > anything here that would fall into such an exception or could be seen > > as creating any enforceable obligation on the part of GM. > > > > As for deliberately wasting people's time, the key word there is > > "deliberate". You would have to prove that GM acted purposefully > > with the full intention of causing harm. It's just not going to > > happen. There's a lot of crummy stuff in life that we just have to > > put up with. This is one of them. > > > > -- > > > > -Adam Kuehn > > > > >
