EV Digest 4057
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: [ThunderSky] Re: Battery Size's
by Emil Naepflein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) New cars with Zebra battery ( was Re: [ThunderSky] Re: lithium powered
smart car)
by Emil Naepflein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Magnecharger replacing
by "George S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) NEDRA Power of DC June 11, 2005
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: nicad question
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Fwd: Re: nicad question
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
by W Bryan Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: AC motor Q's
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) decoding Siemens .trc inverter files?
by "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling? Cat attracting?
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling? Cat attracting?
by Andrew Paulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) KillaCycle to Race at Last Chance Test and Tune in Las Vegas
February 5
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: decoding Siemens .trc inverter files?
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: people willing to buy EV's
by "Steve Clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: decoding Siemens .trc inverter files?
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Fwd: Re: nicad question
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) HEADS UP - Seattle !
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) re: people willing to buy EVs
by "Flowers, James R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Fwd: Re: nicad question
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: New recumbent motorcycle.
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: people willing to buy EVs
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Look at the unmodified spreadsheet. There you can see a power at 60 mph
of 32296 W. I see 46 KW in the 120 km/h column, but this is 75 mph.
Here are the differences side-by-side:
Honda
FrontalAreaOfCar 1,86 m^2 2,39 m^2
PercentGrade 0 2
VehicleMass 1534 kg 1680 kg
Drivetrain efficiency 0,9 0,9
Tire rolling resistance coefficient 0,01 0,015
Brake and Steering Resistance 0,003 0,003
DragCoefficient 0,29 0,38
AirDensity 1,25 kg/m^3 1,2 kg/m^3
Speed (km/h) 100 100
(m/s) 27,8 27,8
ForceOfAirResistance (N) 260,1 420,5
ForceOfIncline (N) 0 329
ForceOfRollingResistance (N) 196 297
TotalDrag (N) 456 1046
Power to Maintain Speed (W) 14067 32296
Power to Maintain Speed (hp) 18,9 43,3
The main difference comes from the difference in PercentGrade and the
AirResistence. The other smaller differences just add up.
Emil
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:18:47 -0800, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> Are you saying that the frontal area and drag combined for beetle
> are 3 times worse than that for CRX?
>
> Beetle: Cd=0.38 A=1.91m^2, product is 0.725
> CRX: Cd=0.29 A=1.862m^2, product is 0.54
>
> The product for CRX is 34% less but the power
> consumption (main difference at high speed is only due to this
> product) - ~300%.
>
> Can you explain? May be Don can chime in.
>
> Try the same numbers for 25mph where air drag and frontal area
> still have negligible effect.
>
> Victor
>
>
>
> Emil Naepflein wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:38:20 -0800, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Careful, this spread sheet is attempt to formalize known
> >>dependencies, but the end result may be off reality by a
> >>factor of 2 or 3.
> >
> >
> > The spreadsheet is correctly programmed. All depends on the parameters
> > you enter.
> >
> >
> >>It should not take for a normal pasenger car more than
> >>15kW to move at 60 mph. My ACRX takes 45A at 300V at
> >>60 mph, this is 13.5 kW. Yet Don's spreadsheet estimates
> >>that for a new beetle (~ similar shape) 46kW needed - more
> >>than 3x error.
> >
> >
> > The problem is that the New Beetle has a drag coefficient like a brick
> > and a frontal area much larger than your ACRX.
> >
> > Just put the values of your ACRX into the spreedsheet and you get what
> > you expect (don't forget to set PercentGrade to 0):
> >
> > FrontalAreaOfCar 1,86 m^2
> > PercentGrade 0
> > VehicleMass 1534 kg
> >
> > Drivetrain efficiency 0,9
> > Tire rolling resistance coefficient 0,01
> > Brake and Steering Resistance 0,003
> > DragCoefficient 0,29
> > AirDensity 1,25 kg/m^3 (1.2 grams/litre)
> >
> > Speed (km/h) 100
> > (m/s) 27,8
> >
> > ForceOfAirResistance (N) 260,1
> > ForceOfIncline (N) 0
> > ForceOfRollingResistance (N) 196
> >
> > TotalDrag (N) 456
> >
> > Power to Maintain Speed (W) 14067
> > Power to Maintain Speed (hp) 18,9
> >
> >
> > You can clearly see that the is a lot of difference regarding energy use
> > at 60 mph for normal passenger cars. It seems to be that the beetle is
> > no optimal base for an energy efficient EV.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Emil
> >
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:22:42 -0800, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> The price * performance is pretty much fixed for anything in life.
> Pick the one which is priority and deal with the other.
As the price is fixed, the performance would have to go down. But a EV
with less the 150 km range is pretty useless to me because I couldn't
use it for my 25.000 km/a commuting. So I have to wait until the prices
drop.
And they seem to drop. At
http://www.vel2.ch/04_veicoli/01_catalogo/catalogo_scheda.cfm?id=132&cat_id=1
and
http://www.vel2.ch/04_veicoli/01_catalogo/catalogo_scheda.cfm?id=131&cat_id=1
they start selling MES-DEA SMARTs and Twingos with Zebra battery in
Tessin, Switzerland. AFAIK, MES-DEA is increasing production capacity
rapidly to 30,000 per year. The costs per battery with 18 kWh is in the
range of 8000 EUR.
May be we see a lot of new EVs with Zebra batteries soon.
Emil
Fup to evlist
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link to a 1998 EV trip to Las Vegas
http://www.hondaev.org/lvjt.html
Also there are a couple of RAV4-EVs that use PFC-50s
so the same could be done with the S10E.
George S.
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The East Coast National Electric Drag Racing Association (NEDRA) event, the
Power of DC, will be held June 11, 2005 at the Mason Dixon Dragway in
Hagerstown, Maryland.
Gates open at 11:00 am and racing begins at 12:00 noon. We'll finish up at
5:00 pm give out awards and head over for some Ledo's Pizza.
Cost is $25 per vehicle and $10.00 per spectator.
Last year we had 3 high schools racing and each one brought home a NEDRA
record so we're thrilled to have the high schoolers out in force at the
track.
Darin Gilbert also earned a NEDRA record with his 48 volt motorcycle.
So this year promises to be another exciting event.
We have information on the upcoming race and pictures from last year's event
on our website.
See ya June 11
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC
http://www.powerofdc.com
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I'm afraid, you are going to hate this batteries, watering them is gonna be
a suplice !
they are standard aircraft starting batteries not "low servicing" ones so
this one needs water very often... better have a good access to them in your
vehicle.
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Dave Cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVList" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: nicad question
> So, it sounds like my plan might work then. I already have a Curtis 1221B
controller, Advanced DC
> 9 inch motor and 80 BB600s. By next weekend I should have another 120
BB600s. The idea is to have
> 2 strings of batteries (120 volts per string), at least 30 AH per string,
maybe 34. Conservatively
> I should have 120v * 60AH for 7200kW in the pack. Does this sound right?
>
> The donor will have a CD of .32 and final weight around 2500 lbs (pack
weight of 660 lbs.) If I
> end up getting 300W per mile, range will be around 24 miles. If the
batteries put out 34 AH and I
> get my efficiency down to 250W per mile, range could be closer to 33
miles. Finally, if I remember
> correctly the BB600s can handle 80% DOD on a regular basis, so
realistically I'm looking at 26
> miles, rats! Maybe I can find an outlet at work, or a third string?
>
> Dave Cover
>
> --- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Subject: Re: nicad question
> > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:13:28 -0800
> >
> > Why did Rudman warn me very sternly concerning these batteries? Of
course I
> > have a rep. that I have to live down being a reg. abuser. I think he
> > thought I'd kill myself. So you can Parallel them.
Gees.........Lawrence
> > Rhodes.............
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: nicad question
> >
> >
> > > Seth;
> > >
> > > I believe that it is OK to do flooded cells in parallel but not
> > > cylindrical
> > > cells.
> > >
> > > Did I get that point across or did I misscommuncate again?
> > >
> > > I hate typing when I'm tired. I make too many mistakes.
> > >
> > > Joe Smalley
> > > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > > Fiesta 48 volts
> > > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Seth Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: nicad question
> > >
> > >
> > >> You better tell Solectria not to parallel them because those early
> > >> (wet) NiCad Forces that are still running after 10 years that way.
So
> > >> someone hurry and tell them that they did it wrong ;-)
> > >>
> > >> 2 40Ah strings in parallel. Still running at UMass last I heard,
that
> > >> was 2003 but they were 1993(ish) cars.
> > >>
> > >> Seth
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 23, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Joe Smalley wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > If there is a reason to not charge "flooded" NiCads in parallel,
> > >> > please let
> > >> > me know.
> > >> >
> > >> > The reason that cylindrical NiCads can't be recharged in parallel
does
> > >> > not
> > >> > apply to flooded cells because the behave differently at end of
charge.
> > >> >
> > >> > Joe Smalley
> > >> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > >> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > >> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > To: "EV Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > >> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:25 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: nicad question
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> << Does anyone know if there are any problems with buddy pairing
> > >> >> flooded
> > >> > nicads
> > >> >> like the bb600? >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You don't want to charge nicads in parallel, but supposedly you
can
> > >> > discharge
> > >> >> them that way.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
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I hope to reduce the watering effort by not being too aggresive with the
charging. I'm not going
to try for fast charges, just enough to fill them up and stir the electrolyte a
little. At least
that's what I hope to do. And if it get's really bad, I think I saw a product
out there to add a
watering system to these guys. There's got to be a solution, just got to find
it. This is just one
big learning experience. I'll try to learn as much by others experiences as
well as my own lumps.
Thanks
Dave Cover
--- Philippe Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: nicad question
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:04:25 +0100
>
> I'm afraid, you are going to hate this batteries, watering them is gonna be
> a suplice !
> they are standard aircraft starting batteries not "low servicing" ones so
> this one needs water very often... better have a good access to them in your
> vehicle.
>
>
> Philippe
>
> Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
> quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
> Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "EVList" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: nicad question
>
>
> > So, it sounds like my plan might work then. I already have a Curtis 1221B
> controller, Advanced DC
> > 9 inch motor and 80 BB600s. By next weekend I should have another 120
> BB600s. The idea is to have
> > 2 strings of batteries (120 volts per string), at least 30 AH per string,
> maybe 34. Conservatively
> > I should have 120v * 60AH for 7200kW in the pack. Does this sound right?
> >
> > The donor will have a CD of .32 and final weight around 2500 lbs (pack
> weight of 660 lbs.) If I
> > end up getting 300W per mile, range will be around 24 miles. If the
> batteries put out 34 AH and I
> > get my efficiency down to 250W per mile, range could be closer to 33
> miles. Finally, if I remember
> > correctly the BB600s can handle 80% DOD on a regular basis, so
> realistically I'm looking at 26
> > miles, rats! Maybe I can find an outlet at work, or a third string?
> >
> > Dave Cover
> >
> > --- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: nicad question
> > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:13:28 -0800
> > >
> > > Why did Rudman warn me very sternly concerning these batteries? Of
> course I
> > > have a rep. that I have to live down being a reg. abuser. I think he
> > > thought I'd kill myself. So you can Parallel them.
> Gees.........Lawrence
> > > Rhodes.............
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: nicad question
> > >
> > >
> > > > Seth;
> > > >
> > > > I believe that it is OK to do flooded cells in parallel but not
> > > > cylindrical
> > > > cells.
> > > >
> > > > Did I get that point across or did I misscommuncate again?
> > > >
> > > > I hate typing when I'm tired. I make too many mistakes.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Smalley
> > > > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > > > Fiesta 48 volts
> > > > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Seth Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: nicad question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> You better tell Solectria not to parallel them because those early
> > > >> (wet) NiCad Forces that are still running after 10 years that way.
> So
> > > >> someone hurry and tell them that they did it wrong ;-)
> > > >>
> > > >> 2 40Ah strings in parallel. Still running at UMass last I heard,
> that
> > > >> was 2003 but they were 1993(ish) cars.
> > > >>
> > > >> Seth
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jan 23, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Joe Smalley wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > If there is a reason to not charge "flooded" NiCads in parallel,
> > > >> > please let
> > > >> > me know.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The reason that cylindrical NiCads can't be recharged in parallel
> does
> > > >> > not
> > > >> > apply to flooded cells because the behave differently at end of
> charge.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Joe Smalley
> > > >> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > > >> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > > >> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> > To: "EV Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > > >> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:25 PM
> > > >> > Subject: Re: nicad question
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> << Does anyone know if there are any problems with buddy pairing
> > > >> >> flooded
> > > >> > nicads
> > > >> >> like the bb600? >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> You don't want to charge nicads in parallel, but supposedly you
> can
> > > >> > discharge
> > > >> >> them that way.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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I think my EV is TOO silent. As I was coming home around dusk
last night, a dog jumped out in front of me. Thankfully, I just
had my brakes done.
I see plenty of devices out there that emit deer-repelling noises.
Does anyone here have one they use that also scares off dogs and
cats?
Thanks!
Bryan
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Hi Edward and All,
--- Edward Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you seen this one? I looked into it for a
> competition, but we are
> limited to 36 V and this is 48 V. I have heard, but
> not confirmed, that
> this is the place that does the windings for AC
> propulsion.
>
I talked to the factory on these and it's
interesting though expensive, about $2500.
It seems the motor will overheat at cont levels
over about 6hp though if you cool it it should do
more.
It has regen of course but only 1 bearing so to
use it other than the correct golf cart transaxle you
would need to machine a end plate, bearing.
They are sending me info and I'll let you know if
it looks good.
jerry dycus
>
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Hi,
The Siemens AC inverters create a file with a record of operating data such
as current, voltage, etc. It saves this data as a .trc files. Has anyone
figured out a way to export this data into another file format such as
Excel?
Thanks
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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From: "W Bryan Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
> I think my EV is TOO silent. As I was coming home around dusk
> last night, a dog jumped out in front of me. Thankfully, I just
> had my brakes done.
>
> I see plenty of devices out there that emit deer-repelling noises.
> Does anyone here have one they use that also scares off dogs and
> cats?
>
> Thanks!
> Bryan
> Hi All;
This theme sorta made me think. The sound emmitted by a EV with a T Rex
or Rapter, maybe can BE heard by animals? I hadnt used the EV in a dew daze,
and I was contemplating that I had lost my faithful old cat"Pumpkin" Don't
know how old he is, I got him used ,YEARS ago. He had been missing a few
daze. What, with Cuyotes running loose in CT, vidiotaped one the other day,
right in the yard. They like cats as take out snacks, witnessing all the
lost cat flyers in the local stores.
Went to the store in the Rabbit, and shure enough Pumpkin materialized,
as cats somehow do, uncanny, they are just THERE! He HAD to have heard the
EV, sounds that I sure don't hear. Maybe the DCP stuff emits loud, to cats,
anyhow, sounds? On my late night arrivals on a regular job i had, he was
always there, before I got plugged in, the familiar Miew, greeting. Cats are
sticklers for habit.But they can tune in EV's for sure.
Seeya
Bob
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> This theme sorta made me think. The sound emmitted by a EV with a T Rex
> or Rapter, maybe can BE heard by animals?
This was my first hit on Google:
http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/HearingRange.html Looks like pets
shouldn't have any difficulty hearing an EV.
Andrew
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Bill Dube, from Denver Colorado, will be racing his 150 mph electric drag
bike, "KillaCycle" at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway February 5.
The KillaCycle holds the NEDRA Record as the World's fastest electric
motorcycle racing the quarter mile in 9.450 seconds at 152.07 mph.
Bill and his rider have spent the past several weeks preparing the bike for
the race, called the "Last Chance Test and Tune". The event is a Test and
Tune for vehicles racing under 10 seconds in the quarter mile.
This killer bike will be racing among the best drag racers on the West
Coast. So "KillaCycle" is sure to get a lot of attention.
We wish Bill the best of luck February 5. And check out his bike at
http://www.killacycle.com
Chip Gribben
National Electric Drag Racing Association
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
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Cliff, if you do not get an answer, send me a copy of the .trc file and I
will see what I can do. It will be a bit till I get my Siemens driven car
on road, so I do not have any .trc files to play with.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ProEV
Sent: January 26, 2005 7:13 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: decoding Siemens .trc inverter files?
Hi,
The Siemens AC inverters create a file with a record of operating data such
as current, voltage, etc. It saves this data as a .trc files. Has anyone
figured out a way to export this data into another file format such as
Excel?
Thanks
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: people willing to buy EV's
> Steve and all;
> There is an easier way to find fellow EV's in your
> area.
> The Electric Automotive association is already in
> place.
I'm part of that , and know all the members , someday we , or 3 of us will
get together and have a chapter meeting :-) . ( and we'er all on the list )
There are probable more people in florida in the eaaev, as I have seen other
names our bulletin board , I do need to get my cars up on the bulletin
board . Sounds like your Phoenix chapter has got it going on . good for you
.
> http://www.eaaev.org/
> They have links to Chapters across the country.
and one in Fort Pierce Florida }-)
steve clunn
>
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Ditto,
I've always been pretty good at converting just about anything to a
useable form. In fact I'd like to see it just to give it a crack.
James
Don Cameron wrote:
Cliff, if you do not get an answer, send me a copy of the .trc file and I
will see what I can do. It will be a bit till I get my Siemens driven car
on road, so I do not have any .trc files to play with.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ProEV
Sent: January 26, 2005 7:13 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: decoding Siemens .trc inverter files?
Hi,
The Siemens AC inverters create a file with a record of operating data such
as current, voltage, etc. It saves this data as a .trc files. Has anyone
figured out a way to export this data into another file format such as
Excel?
Thanks
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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Dave Cover wrote:
>
> I hope to reduce the watering effort by not being too aggresive with the
> charging. I'm not going
> to try for fast charges, just enough to fill them up and stir the electrolyte
> a little. At least
> that's what I hope to do. And if it get's really bad, I think I saw a product
> out there to add a
> watering system to these guys. There's got to be a solution, just got to find
> it. This is just one
> big learning experience. I'll try to learn as much by others experiences as
> well as my own lumps.
Most of the watering is a consequence of the chemistry, not the charging
rate. To reach full charge, you *have* to get the cells over 1.5v. And
they start to gas before you get to this point, so water loss is
inevitable.
--
"Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
has!" -- Margaret Mead
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Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Great Radio Interview, coming up on Saturday, ( 1/29) 7 AM in the
morning (Yawwwnnnn...) , on KEXP FM 90.3Mhz
Subject: The partnership of FlexCar Seattle, with the Seattle EV
Association. A marriage made in EV Heaven to my way of thinking.
Un-rehearsed... Didn't get to say Everything! but HAY ! a half hour of
Free air time is not bad.
Special thanks to FlexCar Seattle founder Tracy Carroll. Turns out our
interviewer and public affairs producer, Ms. Diane Horn, is a customer
of Tracy's and uses FelxCar quite often.
In a Nut Shell, now folks who are a ONE CAR FAMILY, can own and use an
EV for all their in city, short trips, and receive a great discount on
FlexCar membership and use, when they need to go further.. FlexCar use
is GREAT. The cars are all near new, low emission, some hybrids, and
you don't have to maintain them, insure them, or find a parking place
for them !!
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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OK guys, quiz time. I am located in South Carolina, near Savannah Georgia. I
cannot seem to find anything or anyone near me. I would like to
find/inherit/buy someone else's abandoned partly finished project for my
first try, and wouldn't mind a club/chapter.
I looked at the only Florida site I could find, thru the eaaev.org link, and
there was no bulletin board.
I thought to learn on the 1st one and pass it on, then keep the second one.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Encouragement?
Jim F.
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i should add not gasing will reduce dramaticaly their usable capacity !
though next "good" charge can correct this.
I have ultra low servicing Saft ones (CVH 50Ah with membrane gaz barrier and
plastic bonded electrolyte) they have 60cm3 water capacity, others can have
12cm3 and need 5 time more often watering (i don't know about your)
You can't install central system on this cells (your is similar) because
watering is made with a syringe across the venting valve, 5cm3 each time
carefully going back to see if you refill the syring, one it's the case the
cell is full...time to go to next one...and again...and again...already a
pain on 20 cells (24V pack on my scooter) i imagine easily the torture with
100.
i prefer telling this to you now because you are going to pass lots of time
carefully preparing your EV, this battery solution is not a good one for
commute (for your voltage = cell number), for racing it would be ok though,
sorry i dont remember what was the purpose.
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: nicad question
> Dave Cover wrote:
> >
> > I hope to reduce the watering effort by not being too aggresive with the
charging. I'm not going
> > to try for fast charges, just enough to fill them up and stir the
electrolyte a little. At least
> > that's what I hope to do. And if it get's really bad, I think I saw a
product out there to add a
> > watering system to these guys. There's got to be a solution, just got to
find it. This is just one
> > big learning experience. I'll try to learn as much by others experiences
as well as my own lumps.
>
> Most of the watering is a consequence of the chemistry, not the charging
> rate. To reach full charge, you *have* to get the cells over 1.5v. And
> they start to gas before you get to this point, so water loss is
> inevitable.
> --
> "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
> citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
> has!" -- Margaret Mead
> --
> Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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At 1/26/2005 08:16 AM, W Bryan Andrews wrote:
I think my EV is TOO silent. As I was coming home around dusk
last night, a dog jumped out in front of me. Thankfully, I just
had my brakes done.
I see plenty of devices out there that emit deer-repelling noises.
Does anyone here have one they use that also scares off dogs and
cats?
The problem with the Deer Repellers is they are designed for highway
speeds. And the issue in the dogs case is it probably did hear you, it
just didn't know it was a potentially dangerous sound.
But if you had something in the ultrasonic range it should improve your
chances of being heard. And still not interfere with the fun sport of
sneaking up on kids playing in the road. :-) Or just put nuts in your hub
caps and as you slow down into the neighborhood everyone will hear it.
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Richard Ball wrote:
> lots of good points chris
> can you explain to me why in my case i have a pretty good
> grasp of mororcycle design and yet every sixth or seventh
> bike i build handles like a shopping basket despite having
> decent angles, etc after years of building bikes i have come
> to the conclusion that the interrelations between weight ,
> cd, wheelbase,angles,flex, road surface are so complex as to
> be difficult for one man in his shed to compute - if only i
> had an expert test rider and decent data logging it would be
> right every time my point here is sometimes you just have to
> build your ideas and accept that some of them will be crap...
> however some times you build things that should ride like a
> wheel barrow and shock horror they drive ok... so build your
> dream Lawrence and send us some pics from hospital the first
> time you use the front brake on your supertanker wheelbase FF
> ev in the wet..
Hi Richard,
OK, I just can't stop myself from giving a smarta$$ reply to your question:
The reason for the variability in your bikes' behavior is that they're all
different. :-) Most people who build specialty motorcycles, even some of
the world-renowned race bike fabricators, just sort of wing it. They know
what generally works, and they follow the evolution of what works as tires,
components and horsepower change. But this collection of parameters is an
envelope. Individual bikes, with their particular limits on cg height,
overall weight, F/R distribution, rider placement, wheelbase, concentration
of mass, chassis rigidity, etc. may fall squarely in the middle of the
envelope or might end up stuffed down in a corner. If you find most of your
designs are in the same corner, you need a new envelope. Lawrence will
definitely be defining his own envelope.
BTW, the supertanker wheelbase is a good illustration for several points
that have come up. It seemed a logical enough choice, and actually might
have been a good one - if Lawrence was building a land-speed-record (LSR)
bike. At very high speeds you need to slow down steering response, and
that's exactly what a long wheelbase does. I once saw a video* of racer
extraordinaire Cal Rayborn attempting to make a run in his LSR bike. He
gets pushed off and weaves wildly until the thing falls on its side. What
gets you stability at high speed gets you embarrassed at low speed.
Conditions dictate how a certain characteristic will affect behavior.
Tradeoffs are everywhere. My brother-in-law (an accomplished bicycle racer)
proved it again when he built a prototype HPV with a long wheelbase. He
fought a white-knuckle battle to keep it upright - it didn't become
manageable until much faster than I could go on my standard 10-speed. He
scrapped that idea.
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> I understand your concern but I'm not doing this alone. The
> punching bag
> analogy was to show that low center of gravity good. High
> bad.
Having help is good, but you've missed an important point. Low cg height
should not be a goal on its own. Cg height, high or low, is only one of
many characteristics that affect your bike's behavior. If you insist on
putting it low, you must be willing and able to adjust other characteristics
to suit. You may find you can get it too low.
I wish you the best of luck on this, and look forward to reading about your
progress. My parting piece of advice is to plan on throwing something
together that's quick and dirty to try things out. Providing for adjustable
rake and trail will be *very* helpful. *Then* build the real thing, using
everything you've learned (which will be plenty). Getting something so
unusual right on the first try is very unlikely, even for people who really
know their stuff. How many prototypes did Royce the FF guy go through?
Chris
* It's been a long time, but I think the footage of Cal Rayborn in his LSR
was in the movie "On Any Sunday". If you have any interest in motorcycles,
it's a great rental. Very dated but still quite a hoot.
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Just install a tape or DVD on a sound system and add a speaker out the
front.
Make and recorded different sounds, from a jet engine starting up whine,
large industrial motor generator sounds, dragster sounds, music outtakes
from the movie 2001, and some computer sounds from a digital sound program
that sounds like a UFO coming in for a landing.
Also, you can place a microphone near the motor controller, or motor and/or
accessory drive systems.
I gave a ride to a person to his home which lives near me. He did not know
it was a electric car and never rode in one.
So, I thought giving him the whole routine.
When He got in, I started on my pre-start check list which was listed on a
clip board.
He said, what's this?
I said, its my pre-start starting sequence check list. As I continue to
click on a multiple of rocker switches that lite up and display data on a
display board and clicking on the power sound switch which I have always
preset to play.
I have select a F-16 jet engine startup whine, as the my electric motor came
up to idle speed, and than kick in the after burners as the EV accelerated.
He said, what the hell was that? while he turn a shade of white. That's my
boost control system. When I got up to speed, I than I shut down the sound
system, which everything was super quiet, only hearing the tires rolling
over some gravel on the streets.
We are now at cruse altitude which the altimeter which reads 3600 feet above
sea level (which my city is at). Now it's a down hill run all the way to his
house in dead quiet.
Yes, a EV is quiet, but you can have some fun blowing the doors off (with
sound) on some kids hot rod that pulls up next to you when you install the
sound of a dragsters.
One time, when I was coming home from work. Going down a long hill where
the speed would max out at 92 mph ( we had no speed limit at the time), I
saw a VW Bug ahead of me, which was one of mine co-workers. As I past him,
I turn on the sound of open type header exhaust system, which made his car
wiggle. He never saw be coming.
Roland
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From: "W Bryan Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
> I think my EV is TOO silent. As I was coming home around dusk
> last night, a dog jumped out in front of me. Thankfully, I just
> had my brakes done.
>
> I see plenty of devices out there that emit deer-repelling noises.
> Does anyone here have one they use that also scares off dogs and
> cats?
>
> Thanks!
> Bryan
>
>
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Too funny! Thanks Roland
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
"I'm figuring out what's good for me, but only by a process of elimination"
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From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
Just install a tape or DVD on a sound system and add a speaker out the
front.
Make and recorded different sounds, from a jet engine starting up whine,
large industrial motor generator sounds, dragster sounds, music outtakes
from the movie 2001, and some computer sounds from a digital sound program
that sounds like a UFO coming in for a landing.
Also, you can place a microphone near the motor controller, or motor
and/or accessory drive systems.
I gave a ride to a person to his home which lives near me. He did not
know it was a electric car and never rode in one.
So, I thought giving him the whole routine.
When He got in, I started on my pre-start check list which was listed on a
clip board.
He said, what's this?
I said, its my pre-start starting sequence check list. As I continue to
click on a multiple of rocker switches that lite up and display data on a
display board and clicking on the power sound switch which I have always
preset to play.
I have select a F-16 jet engine startup whine, as the my electric motor
came up to idle speed, and than kick in the after burners as the EV
accelerated.
He said, what the hell was that? while he turn a shade of white. That's
my boost control system. When I got up to speed, I than I shut down the
sound system, which everything was super quiet, only hearing the tires
rolling over some gravel on the streets.
We are now at cruse altitude which the altimeter which reads 3600 feet
above sea level (which my city is at). Now it's a down hill run all the
way to his house in dead quiet.
Yes, a EV is quiet, but you can have some fun blowing the doors off (with
sound) on some kids hot rod that pulls up next to you when you install the
sound of a dragsters.
One time, when I was coming home from work. Going down a long hill where
the speed would max out at 92 mph ( we had no speed limit at the time), I
saw a VW Bug ahead of me, which was one of mine co-workers. As I past
him, I turn on the sound of open type header exhaust system, which made
his car wiggle. He never saw be coming.
Roland
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From: "W Bryan Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Silent EV .. Dog/Deer Repelling?
I think my EV is TOO silent. As I was coming home around dusk
last night, a dog jumped out in front of me. Thankfully, I just
had my brakes done.
I see plenty of devices out there that emit deer-repelling noises.
Does anyone here have one they use that also scares off dogs and
cats?
Thanks!
Bryan
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>Thoughts? Suggestions? Encouragement?
>From my perspective, the ONLY thing that keeps ANYONE from
converting to an EV is money. Why did I not convert my car
yesterday or last week already? Money.
Have you selected and acquired your ideal vehicle to be
converted?
You basically just need 4 things: motor, controller,
charger, batteries. Plus some incidentals. 4/0 cable,
material for the battery racks/frames, something for the
throttle(pot box?), gauges, motor mount and adapter..
Do you want a 8 or 9 inch motor or something bigger?
Which Zilla do you want?
Which PFC charger do you want?
Do you want Optimas or Orbitals? How many?
I think we are already well over $4,000 at this point.
Installing and mounting the motor, controller, and charger
is the easy part.
Figuring out a way to securely mount the batteries... Seems
like there is an infinite amount of ways to do it, yet not a
universally simple and elegant way of doing it. Any tried
and trued method?
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