EV Digest 4177
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: BB600 A/A charging
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Spoon Feeding BB600's
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: wind charger and BB600's?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: BB600 have to go straight up and down?
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Atv conversion
by richard ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: wind charger and BB600's?
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: NiCds in Europe (was: BB600...)
by "Schacherl Jens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Any new EV cars for sale?
by "EAA-contact" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Any new EV cars for sale?
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Jeep EV Update DC/DC is DEAD
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: FW: wind charger and BB600's? ALL GONE
by "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Spoon Feeding BB600's
by William Brinsmead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: 9" ADC aft mounting holes (rather, lack thereof)
by "Gabriel Alarcon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: DCP DC/DC used with Zilla was Jeep EV Update DC/DC is DEAD
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) BB-600 Nicad Cells
by James H Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) I-10 Surplus
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The have to be upright when charging. LR.........
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From: "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: BB600 A/A charging
I think I sent this question before but seeing this makes me wonder if you
can mount these not straight up and down? I'm not talking laying down or
upsidedown but maybe at 45 degrees or 30degrees? Maybe at works in a
fighter because when it's parked they are rightside up. Anyone have a
manual for one of these which says anything about orientation?
Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I think that you should
understand a little more about what you have on
your
hands. These are not a typical nickel cadmium cell. They are
manufactured to
perform in very extreme environments as found on tactical (fighter)
aircraft. They are designed to put out 1,000 to 1,800 amps per cell. The
list price for these cells is $466 each. From your response I can see
that
you have done some research on basic, low cost, low quality, low drain,
battery systems - these are not in that category.
I am starting to seriously drool here.
Chris
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The factory prices are in the 100 buck hammer range. Zinc works best.
LR............
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From: "Reverend Gadget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
why use braided interconnects when the factory uses
solid ones? Making the solid interconnects would be a
cinch. Or if we have enough people we could job them
all out for a volume discount. I wonder what the
factory gets for them?
Gadget
--- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not me, just saying the interconnects are the hassl,
and those who
bought the cells should all get together and make a
big order on
braided interconnects for a volume discount...
Seth
On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:04 PM, M.G. wrote:
> How much are we talking?
> Mike G.
>
> Seth Allen wrote:
>
>> I think Otmar still hosts the excel plot of the
discharge test I did
>> of the GE equivalent of these SAFT cells, FWIW.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> P.S. you guys want to have a group buy on cell
interconnects, now
>> that you can order them in the thousands.
>>
>>
>
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How is Tin with NiCad? I used Liquid Tin on my copper 1/16 inch thick
interconnects in the Electravan. Worked beautiful. Not sure if tin is ok
with NiCad. Lawrence Rhodes.........
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From: "Dave Cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVList" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Spoon Feeding BB600's
--- Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If we need interconnects in the thousands then it
would be really cheap to have then die cut.
Gadget
Seth made a good point about the flexible interconnect. A recent post
mentioned how these cells
like to swell with charging. If you get a lot of movement but use solid
connections it could
weaken and crack the housings. I saw his interconnects and they were
pretty nice and not to hard
to make. I was thinking of using the crimped copper option mentioned
recently. Flatten copper ends
onto stainless braid, dip the copper, drill a hole, a little heat shrink
tubing and you're done.
Good solid connection and some corrosion protection. Does stainless braid
have similar electrical
properties compared to strap connections?
I'd like to put together a 144 volt pack with as many as three strings for
range. I was thinking
about the watering issue and how to handle it. What about building small
packs of cells that could
be easily disconnected and removed from the car (with a lift), say 25 in a
pack. That would be a
block about 8.5" x 12.5" x 9". That way you could water them on the bench.
Could you use an
Anderson type connector on each pack or would that be too much
loss/resistence versus direct
wiring?
Dave Cover
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Uh you need a short and a long interconnect. I have templates but it's not
hard to make your own template. What's with the S shaped interconnect?
LR.........
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From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
>From the photos that Philippe had it looked as if the connects were
>stamped, not cut. Stamping are relatively cheap and quickly done, depends
>on the quantity. We would need 2, one just straight with the connect
>holes and the other with a 'S' bend in it.
I am in Tucson and have ordered 300 from Tim.
Anybody else in my area? Phoenix?
Also somebody could 'design' (read reverse engineer) the watering system
and have in manufactured in a foreign country.
Rush
Tucson AZ
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From: "Reverend Gadget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
why use braided interconnects when the factory uses
solid ones? Making the solid interconnects would be a
cinch. Or if we have enough people we could job them
all out for a volume discount. I wonder what the
factory gets for them?
Gadget
--- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not me, just saying the interconnects are the hassl,
and those who
bought the cells should all get together and make a
big order on
braided interconnects for a volume discount...
Seth
On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:04 PM, M.G. wrote:
> How much are we talking?
> Mike G.
>
> Seth Allen wrote:
>
>> I think Otmar still hosts the excel plot of the
discharge test I did
>> of the GE equivalent of these SAFT cells, FWIW.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> P.S. you guys want to have a group buy on cell
interconnects, now
>> that you can order them in the thousands.
>>
>>
>
visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
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There is a alternative energy company that sells a NiCad controller to be
used with alt. energy inputs. LR........
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From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: wind charger and BB600's?
At 07:32 PM 3/10/2005, Paul G. wrote:
I missed a WA buyer! Would the WA buyer please contact me? (reply onlist
or
offlist) I am interested in NiCad's for my EV Buggy. The old Optimas are
There is more than 1 WA buyer.
I'm getting a few hundred to play with, and i'm just north of Seattle. (I
also have an F250 with a 4400 lb payload capacity...)
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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They need to be upright. Even in aircraft they are cased in an upright
format. David Chapman.
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From: "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:18 AM
Subject: BB600 have to go straight up and down?
I'm assuming since they are flooded they have to be treated like flooded
batteries and only straight up and down? Would be too good to be true if
they could be put on their side. Thought I'd ask since I saw some mention
of airplane cells.
Thanks.
Mark Hastings
S-15 EV Pickup
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When Bill M did his IIRC they ended up around a buck ea with nickel plating
included. 800 quantity.
David Chapman
Arizona Electropulsion / Fine-Junque
http://stores.ebay.com/theworldoffinejunque
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From: "Reverend Gadget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
why use braided interconnects when the factory uses
solid ones? Making the solid interconnects would be a
cinch. Or if we have enough people we could job them
all out for a volume discount. I wonder what the
factory gets for them?
Gadget
--- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not me, just saying the interconnects are the hassl,
and those who
bought the cells should all get together and make a
big order on
braided interconnects for a volume discount...
Seth
On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:04 PM, M.G. wrote:
> How much are we talking?
> Mike G.
>
> Seth Allen wrote:
>
>> I think Otmar still hosts the excel plot of the
discharge test I did
>> of the GE equivalent of these SAFT cells, FWIW.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> P.S. you guys want to have a group buy on cell
interconnects, now
>> that you can order them in the thousands.
>>
>>
>
visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
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hi james
i built a trike test rig with a quad rear axle
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/591.html
there is also a quad smewhere in the album
an etek is fast enough to be scary with about 12hp at 48v
easy to knock up an electric atv
let me know any specific questions
regards
reb
"James A. Eckman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Has anyone on the list had experience with an ATV conversion--ICE to electric?
I hope to locate a well used chain drive 2WD around 200-250CC.
Weight with ICE should be about 400 lbs. Hopefully the machine would have a bad
motor and /or tran. Speed is not an issue but some hill climbing ability would
be.
Would appreciate hearing from anyone with experience or links about this type
conversion.
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Tim Humphrey wrote:
>I was just contemplating offering any remaining
>BB600's to the A.E. list
>for the same deal, for use as a battery bank for
>Solar | Wind | MicroHydro
>applications. I myself will be using some for that
>purpose.
Depending upon how they fare in EV use(And depending upon
watering system feasability), if any happen to be laying
around a few months or even a year from now, I may end up
buying some. Just in the event not all of them end up being
sold(Which I think they will be sold quite fast).
Hmm, to dump $900(including shipping) on them or not...
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As far as I know, Peugeot has stopped making electric '106 and Partners (van
model) years ago.
They also announced last fall that the Scootelec electric scooter will be
discontinued and that there will be no successor model. Main reasons: "no
demand" and "special parts are no longer made by suppliers".
Citroen has stopped building the Saxo EV in 2003 but is still making the
Berlingo van due to high demand in London where EVs are exempt from congestion
charge and parking fees.
I don't know if Renault is still making the Kangoo EV and serial hybrid, but
they are, or were, never really "available" anyway.
There are rumours that Citroen and Peugeot are currently crushing new Saxo/106
EVs that have never been sold.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/electriccarsUK/message/840
"In a secret car demolishing site in France (a breaker), the PSA
group has started demolishing between 300 and 400 hundred Saxos and
106 that have never been used. They take out the Ni-Cad batteries
(where do they go?) and they sell the rest at a very high price. Do
you remember the Think scandal? Ford would do the same thing to
these cars, but were stopped. Who can stop Citroën and Peugeot? Will
they ever be credible again? Are they going to the EVS21 in Monaco?
Will they still laugh at us there? Please contact media and - the
PSA group - we all need this to be known!!!
The news has been leaked from within the PSA system - top level and
top secret ..."
Although this has not been confirmed yet, there are practically no new highway
capable production EVs in Europe available anymore, same as in the US.
Regards, Jens
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From: Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:51 pm
Subject: NiCds in Europe (was: BB600...)
Thanks for the link Philippe.
So Peugeot is allowed to keep making '106 with NiCd batteries no
problem? I've heard they are *obligated* to find alternative.
The sam with Saxo?
Victor
Philippe Borges wrote:
> true for cadmium which is definitely crap (though quantities are low on our
> hobbyist's hands)
> about nicad prohibition european law:
>
> nicad batteries use is prohibited in europe since 2004 except for power tool
> and industrial application batteries.
> For power tools the law will be voted again in 2008.
> For industrial batteries, which include electric vehicle ones, no
> prohibition !
>
> you will find the whole text here:
> http://ue.eu.int/ueDocs/cms_Data/docs/pressData/en/envir/83236.pdf
>
> So they still are the best choice for EV batteries at the moment (imho) but
> don't forget nicad batteries must'nt be through away, they have to be
> recycled !!!
>
> The actual li-ion are to dangerous in EV use so i'm negociating to test new
> Saft NIMH modules: 12V100Ah/C1 for 18kg and...no watering :^)
>
> Philippe
>
> Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
> quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
> Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells: SoCal & NorCal group buy?
>
>
>
>>With all this talk about NiCds, may be people know, but I wanted
>>to mention that their use in OEM EVs has been banned in Europe for
>>environmental reasons. Recycling or no recycling no OEM will
>>be allowed to sell and EV with NiCd battery in it beginning of this
>>year. Of course, this is because cadmium is nastier stuff than even
>>gasoline.
>>
>>US enthusiasts perhaps couldn't care less what is going on in
>>European OEMs, but I don't think they (OEMs) would impose
>>such a hardship on themselves (many EVs already manufactured
>>cannot be sold since NiCd is no longer legal) without good reason.
>>
>>If you do get to use BB600 or whatever, just remember it contains
>>poison and please them as such.
>>
>>Perhaps Philippe or Jukka can comment on this situation better.
>>
>>Victor
>>
>>--
>>'91 ACRX - something different
>>
>>
>>
>>Tim Clevenger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Gadget,
>>>
>>>That works for me. That also takes the pressure off, since if
>>>I picked them up in NorCal, I'd be hand-loading them into
>>>a rented pickup. :-)
>>>
>>>I'm not sure how many I'm getting. At least 70, possibly 140.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>---------
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:37:06 -0800 (PST)
>>>>
>>>>From: Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells: SoCal & NorCal group buy?
>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>>I haven't made any shipping arrangements yet. but let
>>>>me know how many are coming to LA and can get quote.
>>>>I'm hoping that we can get the shipping below 1 buck a
>>>>cell. weekend pick up is no problem as I live in my
>>>>warehouse. I can even store them for a little while if
>>>>that helps anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Gadget
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Dick, Toyota only sold 300 RAV4 EVs in California during the 2002 year (1999
models). That was the end of their inventory and commitment to sell EVs. Better
than any of the other automakers who only leased EVs (except for the first Ford
Ranger EVs which dealers sold before they got corrected by headquarters that
EVs are lease-only. -Ed Thorpefortunate to have leased a Honda EV+ for 4
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12:05:50 -0800 (PST)Subject: Any new EV cars for sale?Toyota was selling Rav4s.
Are they still?Any other companies?-Richard
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Lawrence,
If you remember the photos that Philippe has of the original bat box,
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Aprilia%20Eproject%20001.jpg
it shows 2 kinds of connects from bat to bat. One is just a short straight run
with terminal holes. the other is the 'S' connector. The S connector is used
because of the configuration of the bats in the MIL container, and I would
hazard a guess that we would find it useful.
Actually if you look closely at the photo above there is also a 3rd connector.
In the photo there is a diagonal connector in the lower right corner.
I would hazard a guess that we would need all 3 of them to cover all the
connection possibilities that we may encounter.
The cost of tooling up a stamp die for any one of the 3 configurations is
negligible in terms of the cost added to the piece if it is in a quantity order.
Rush
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
> Uh you need a short and a long interconnect. I have templates but it's not
> hard to make your own template. What's with the S shaped interconnect?
> LR.........
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> From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
>
>
>> >From the photos that Philippe had it looked as if the connects were
>> >stamped, not cut. Stamping are relatively cheap and quickly done, depends
>> >on the quantity. We would need 2, one just straight with the connect
>> >holes and the other with a 'S' bend in it.
>>
>> I am in Tucson and have ordered 300 from Tim.
>>
>> Anybody else in my area? Phoenix?
>>
>> Also somebody could 'design' (read reverse engineer) the watering system
>> and have in manufactured in a foreign country.
>>
>> Rush
>> Tucson AZ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Reverend Gadget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
>>
>>
>>> why use braided interconnects when the factory uses
>>> solid ones? Making the solid interconnects would be a
>>> cinch. Or if we have enough people we could job them
>>> all out for a volume discount. I wonder what the
>>> factory gets for them?
>>>
>>> Gadget
>>> --- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Not me, just saying the interconnects are the hassl,
>>>> and those who
>>>> bought the cells should all get together and make a
>>>> big order on
>>>> braided interconnects for a volume discount...
>>>>
>>>> Seth
>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:04 PM, M.G. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > How much are we talking?
>>>> > Mike G.
>>>> >
>>>> > Seth Allen wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I think Otmar still hosts the excel plot of the
>>>> discharge test I did
>>>> >> of the GE equivalent of these SAFT cells, FWIW.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Seth
>>>> >>
>>>> >> P.S. you guys want to have a group buy on cell
>>>> interconnects, now
>>>> >> that you can order them in the thousands.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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And a used Rav4-EV went for around $33,000 on eBay a few days ago... so
loyal fans still exist.
EAA-contact wrote:
Dick, Toyota only sold 300 RAV4 EVs in California during the 2002 year
> (1999 models). That was the end of their inventory ...
_________
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak
1992 Chevy S-10 BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV
http://www.eeevee.com
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Hi, I thought I mentioned this before, but my DCP DC converter died because
I left it on all the time and a fungus amungus grew in humid weather across
the isolation boundry from the high voltage to the control components, then
kaboom. These two that died, were they on all the time? Are they used in
humid weather? (Conformal coat the board would help) I don't see how it had
anything to do with the motor speed control, I think that's unrelated. I
now have my DC converter switched with the ignition and use an aux battery
like normal people. Mark
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From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Jeep EV Update DC/DC is DEAD
> Nick??
> Want the Schematic to the DCP DC/DC????
> I have it.
>
> Also the Carnage is most likley under the PCB and on top of the heat sink.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Viera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Jeep EV Update DC/DC is DEAD
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just to clarify again: Yes, my DC/DC is now 100% DEAD. After it shot
> > sparks, that was the end of it, period. Though, upon inspecting it, Mark
> > and I could not find any signs of damage at all. That is very strange.
> >
> > > I don't see any way that the Zilla could have contributed to its
> > > demise. But you never know, I may be missing something.
> >
> > Once again, I'm not blaming the Zilla, Otmar... but it is rather strange
> > that I NEVER had any problems with the DC/DC blowing its input fuse
> > PRIOR to installing the Zilla. Maybe just a bad coincidence? or?
> >
> > > Since you are running power steering, I would suggest a DC-DC of at
> > > least 50 amps, and 75 would be a normal amount.Plus, you should have
> > > a good surge battery.
> >
> > I too really want a 50+ amp DC/DC. When I was buying components, I
> > couldn't find anyone who made one that could handle up to 210 volts
> > input. IMO, The Hawker AGM I have does an excellent job handling high
> > current surges. It just can't do so for very long as it is only 16ah. I
> > really don't want to put something as heavy as a Yellow top in their...
> >
> > Basically, I've got to find a new DC/DC converter or see if I can get
> > the DCP one fixed (sure hope I can as it wasn't a cheap unit). What I
> > _really_ want to do is design/build my own, because I enjoy working with
> > electronics. However, I have little experience with power electronics,
> > so I need to do more homework before I can design a circuit. I'm going
> > to start working with some flyback converter circuits and see what I can
> > come up with. But in the mean time, I've got to get a working DC/DC in
> > the Jeep so I can get it back on the road.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > -Nick
> > http://Go.DriveEV.com/
> > 1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
> > ---------------------------
> >
>
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Yep John, you hit it, they're gone.
If there's enough interest, I'll keep my eye open for the next auction.
Maybe ship it direct to someone on the west coast and have it farmed out
from there.
I wonder if the military uses li-poly for anything.....
--
Stay Charged!
Hump
"Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right!" --Henry Ford
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of John Westlund
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:50 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: wind charger and BB600's?
>
> Tim Humphrey wrote:
>
>>I was just contemplating offering any remaining BB600's to the A.E.
>>list for the same deal, for use as a battery bank for Solar | Wind |
>>MicroHydro applications. I myself will be using some for that purpose.
>
> Depending upon how they fare in EV use(And depending upon watering system
> feasability), if any happen to be laying around a few months or even a
> year
> from now, I may end up buying some. Just in the event not all of them end
> up
> being sold(Which I think they will be sold quite fast).
>
> Hmm, to dump $900(including shipping) on them or not...
>
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Hi Just thought I would mention, the stock interconnects that I am
familiar with are thickly nickel plated on to
copper. Once I tried to use stainless it works but is high resistance
and will glow red under heavy loads, BAD !
Most other metals corrode badly such as copper or steel. The Marathon
guy is right, these *can* make well over 1500 amps, (short time with out
going boom) and in their native environment ( most all aircraft) they
are in a nifty sealed stainless box usually 20 cells each. the box has a
nice quick disconnect rated at 2000 amps as well as temp sensors. It is
at 24 volts when idle and floated at 28 when the plane is running.
Enjoy, Bill
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So I take it your motor is still not supported but you upgraded your tranny
mounts? My controller is a Curtis 550 amp, turned down to 400+/-. Is this
what your dcp450 does?
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From: Paul G.<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: 9" ADC aft mounting holes (rather, lack thereof)
Gabe wrote:
>>On my E-scort, the end of the motor is not supported at all. It is bolted
directly to the bell housing of the transaxle. With all this talk about aft
mounts, should I install some sort of support or motor clamp type support?
This E-scort has been this way for years without any problems but I recently
upgraded to a larger controller and had to turn down the amps due to main
circuit breaker tripping. Need to upgrade this breaker<<
On my Rabbit Pickup the motor was not supported. I replaced the 3 tranny
mounts with aftermarket urethane ones and never had any problem. My
controller was a small one though, one of the rare DCP450's.
Paul G.
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If you look closely it looks like four sizes. the
shortest; end to end, medium; side by side, longest;
diagonally end to end, and the "S" shape diagonally
side by side. although some may not need all three
depending on configuation.
Gadget
--- Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lawrence,
>
> If you remember the photos that Philippe has of the
> original bat box,
>
>
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Aprilia%20Eproject%20001.jpg
> it shows 2 kinds of connects from bat to bat. One is
> just a short straight run with terminal holes. the
> other is the 'S' connector. The S connector is used
> because of the configuration of the bats in the MIL
> container, and I would hazard a guess that we would
> find it useful.
>
> Actually if you look closely at the photo above
> there is also a 3rd connector. In the photo there is
> a diagonal connector in the lower right corner.
>
> I would hazard a guess that we would need all 3 of
> them to cover all the connection possibilities that
> we may encounter.
>
> The cost of tooling up a stamp die for any one of
> the 3 configurations is negligible in terms of the
> cost added to the piece if it is in a quantity
> order.
>
> Rush
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
>
>
> > Uh you need a short and a long interconnect. I
> have templates but it's not
> > hard to make your own template. What's with the S
> shaped interconnect?
> > LR.........
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
> >
> >
> >> >From the photos that Philippe had it looked as
> if the connects were
> >> >stamped, not cut. Stamping are relatively cheap
> and quickly done, depends
> >> >on the quantity. We would need 2, one just
> straight with the connect
> >> >holes and the other with a 'S' bend in it.
> >>
> >> I am in Tucson and have ordered 300 from Tim.
> >>
> >> Anybody else in my area? Phoenix?
> >>
> >> Also somebody could 'design' (read reverse
> engineer) the watering system
> >> and have in manufactured in a foreign country.
> >>
> >> Rush
> >> Tucson AZ
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Reverend Gadget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 PM
> >> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
> >>
> >>
> >>> why use braided interconnects when the factory
> uses
> >>> solid ones? Making the solid interconnects would
> be a
> >>> cinch. Or if we have enough people we could job
> them
> >>> all out for a volume discount. I wonder what the
> >>> factory gets for them?
> >>>
> >>> Gadget
> >>> --- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> Not me, just saying the interconnects are the
> hassl,
> >>>> and those who
> >>>> bought the cells should all get together and
> make a
> >>>> big order on
> >>>> braided interconnects for a volume discount...
> >>>>
> >>>> Seth
> >>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:04 PM, M.G. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > How much are we talking?
> >>>> > Mike G.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Seth Allen wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> I think Otmar still hosts the excel plot of
> the
> >>>> discharge test I did
> >>>> >> of the GE equivalent of these SAFT cells,
> FWIW.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Seth
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> P.S. you guys want to have a group buy on
> cell
> >>>> interconnects, now
> >>>> >> that you can order them in the thousands.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From: "Nick Viera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: DCP DC/DC used with Zilla was Jeep EV Update DC/DC is DEAD
> Hi,
>
> First I'd like to again thank everyone for their input on this DC/DC
> problem. Much appreciated! I'm going to respond to several people in
> this e-mail...
>
> > Mark Hanson wrote:
> > Mine also was popped the input fuse prior to zorching. I made the
> > mistake of running it ALL the time which grows and electrolysis effect
> > across the board
>
> I was running mine all the time as well. This was supposed to be one of
> the features of the DCP unit. In fact, I recall hearing that switching
> the DCP DC/DC converters main input off and on a lot is bad for them. As
> for the electrolysis effect, well, that was not a problem on my DC/DC
Ah, so it was on all the time also. Sometimes the migration isn't that
visible. My fet's shorted when the control chip went bonkers. Conformal
coating the board helps as well as cycling the DC/DC and using an U-1 aux
garden battery. That's what I do now and havn't had any problems in the
last year. Mark
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At a $1 a piece for interconnects, it would be cheaper to buy the used
NiCad batteries packs at I-10 surplus. Pull the cells out and store them
for possible replacements, put the new cells in the cases and clean up and
use the interconnects.
Of course this assumes that you are close to Tucson. If you had to pay
shipping on the batteries it would spoil the advantage.
FWIW I bought 24V batteries (Stainless steel box with 19 to 20 cells AND
interconnects) for $25 ea. A lot of the ones that are left are mildly to
moderately corroded though, looks like the electrolyte leaked out.
There were at least 30 or 40 batteries (34ah, literally tons of the 20ah
ones) left about a year ago.
> Lawrence,
>
> If you remember the photos that Philippe has of the original bat box,
> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Aprilia%20Eproject%20001.jpg
> it shows 2 kinds of connects from bat to bat. One is just a short straight
> run with terminal holes. the other is the 'S' connector. The S connector
> is used because of the configuration of the bats in the MIL container, and
> I would hazard a guess that we would find it useful.
>
> Actually if you look closely at the photo above there is also a 3rd
> connector. In the photo there is a diagonal connector in the lower right
> corner.
>
> I would hazard a guess that we would need all 3 of them to cover all the
> connection possibilities that we may encounter.
>
> The cost of tooling up a stamp die for any one of the 3 configurations is
> negligible in terms of the cost added to the piece if it is in a quantity
> order.
>
> Rush
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
>
>
>> Uh you need a short and a long interconnect. I have templates but it's
>> not
>> hard to make your own template. What's with the S shaped interconnect?
>> LR.........
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
>>
>>
>>> >From the photos that Philippe had it looked as if the connects were
>>> >stamped, not cut. Stamping are relatively cheap and quickly done,
>>> depends
>>> >on the quantity. We would need 2, one just straight with the connect
>>> >holes and the other with a 'S' bend in it.
>>>
>>> I am in Tucson and have ordered 300 from Tim.
>>>
>>> Anybody else in my area? Phoenix?
>>>
>>> Also somebody could 'design' (read reverse engineer) the watering
>>> system
>>> and have in manufactured in a foreign country.
>>>
>>> Rush
>>> Tucson AZ
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Reverend Gadget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
>>>
>>>
>>>> why use braided interconnects when the factory uses
>>>> solid ones? Making the solid interconnects would be a
>>>> cinch. Or if we have enough people we could job them
>>>> all out for a volume discount. I wonder what the
>>>> factory gets for them?
>>>>
>>>> Gadget
>>>> --- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> Not me, just saying the interconnects are the hassl,
>>>>> and those who
>>>>> bought the cells should all get together and make a
>>>>> big order on
>>>>> braided interconnects for a volume discount...
>>>>>
>>>>> Seth
>>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:04 PM, M.G. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > How much are we talking?
>>>>> > Mike G.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Seth Allen wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I think Otmar still hosts the excel plot of the
>>>>> discharge test I did
>>>>> >> of the GE equivalent of these SAFT cells, FWIW.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Seth
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> P.S. you guys want to have a group buy on cell
>>>>> interconnects, now
>>>>> >> that you can order them in the thousands.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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There is a fellow EV'er here in Phoenix, Bill Mulgrew, that put together
3 strings of cells to make, IIRC, a 216V pack for his G-Van.
I have one of his bad cells and have been looking for just such a buy
for a while.
Things to keep in mind:
They must remain upright, after all they are a flooded cell, albeit
without a lot of liquid.
They must be confined to prevent them from swelling when being charged.
This may be why the Military builds them into a very sturdy metal box.
If they expand and contract it will break the seals around the small
posts which permits corrosion etc. It is also possible to crack the
case. Bill had his in a steel tray with 3/4" all-thread compressing each
'row' of batteries.
Nicads are 'gassers' especially at high currents. They gas on
Discharge and Charge. They use more water than a comparable lead acid
battery. Bill kept his charge rates low to prevent gassing and by doing
so gave up some of the capacity. This also got them out of balance quickly.
You don't want to let them get low on water, just ask Rod Hower's friend
that had a Saft pack in his Fiero.
The cell cap is recessed and doesn't have threads, just a quarter turn
lock rather like a two leaf clover. Easy enough to open with a tool, but
still a pain as the opening is then about 1/4" to mnaybe 3/8".
He tried different materials for interconnects and settled on Copper
bars sheared with punched holes. IIRC The connectors use a 10-32 screw
for the connection. Everything had to be plated to prevent corrosion.
Too much loss in too many connections for stainless. (He plated them
himself as he has a plating setup for his car restorations.)
They can be stored in any condition of charge indefinately. The military
stores them with the posts shorted together.
BTW: His 6000+ lb G-Van was tested at the GM proving grounds in Mesa and
got over 90 miles on a charge.. although this was to 0% remaining.
He finally gave up on the project.
Jim,
'93 Dodge TEVan w/ NiCd's
(12 years old and runs with the Big Dogs on the 101 at 65-70 Mph daily.)
"Breathe Easy - It's Electric"
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I tried a few times to contact I-10 Surplus about a month and a half ago,
and it seemed like they'd evaporated. Anyone know if they're still
around?
--chris
Peter VanDerWal said:
> At a $1 a piece for interconnects, it would be cheaper to buy the used
> NiCad batteries packs at I-10 surplus. Pull the cells out and store them
> for possible replacements, put the new cells in the cases and clean up and
> use the interconnects.
>
> Of course this assumes that you are close to Tucson. If you had to pay
> shipping on the batteries it would spoil the advantage.
>
> FWIW I bought 24V batteries (Stainless steel box with 19 to 20 cells AND
> interconnects) for $25 ea. A lot of the ones that are left are mildly to
> moderately corroded though, looks like the electrolyte leaked out.
>
> There were at least 30 or 40 batteries (34ah, literally tons of the 20ah
> ones) left about a year ago.
>
>> Lawrence,
>>
>> If you remember the photos that Philippe has of the original bat box,
>> http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/images/Aprilia%20Eproject%20001.jpg
>> it shows 2 kinds of connects from bat to bat. One is just a short
>> straight
>> run with terminal holes. the other is the 'S' connector. The S connector
>> is used because of the configuration of the bats in the MIL container,
>> and
>> I would hazard a guess that we would find it useful.
>>
>> Actually if you look closely at the photo above there is also a 3rd
>> connector. In the photo there is a diagonal connector in the lower right
>> corner.
>>
>> I would hazard a guess that we would need all 3 of them to cover all the
>> connection possibilities that we may encounter.
>>
>> The cost of tooling up a stamp die for any one of the 3 configurations
>> is
>> negligible in terms of the cost added to the piece if it is in a
>> quantity
>> order.
>>
>> Rush
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
>>
>>
>>> Uh you need a short and a long interconnect. I have templates but it's
>>> not
>>> hard to make your own template. What's with the S shaped interconnect?
>>> LR.........
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
>>>
>>>
>>>> >From the photos that Philippe had it looked as if the connects were
>>>> >stamped, not cut. Stamping are relatively cheap and quickly done,
>>>> depends
>>>> >on the quantity. We would need 2, one just straight with the connect
>>>> >holes and the other with a 'S' bend in it.
>>>>
>>>> I am in Tucson and have ordered 300 from Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody else in my area? Phoenix?
>>>>
>>>> Also somebody could 'design' (read reverse engineer) the watering
>>>> system
>>>> and have in manufactured in a foreign country.
>>>>
>>>> Rush
>>>> Tucson AZ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Reverend Gadget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> why use braided interconnects when the factory uses
>>>>> solid ones? Making the solid interconnects would be a
>>>>> cinch. Or if we have enough people we could job them
>>>>> all out for a volume discount. I wonder what the
>>>>> factory gets for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gadget
>>>>> --- Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> Not me, just saying the interconnects are the hassl,
>>>>>> and those who
>>>>>> bought the cells should all get together and make a
>>>>>> big order on
>>>>>> braided interconnects for a volume discount...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seth
>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:04 PM, M.G. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > How much are we talking?
>>>>>> > Mike G.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Seth Allen wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> I think Otmar still hosts the excel plot of the
>>>>>> discharge test I did
>>>>>> >> of the GE equivalent of these SAFT cells, FWIW.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Seth
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> P.S. you guys want to have a group buy on cell
>>>>>> interconnects, now
>>>>>> >> that you can order them in the thousands.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> visit my website at www.reverendgadget.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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