--- Begin Message ---
Hi All,
Dave has kindly offered his list as a guide to make one for
us if someone want too. I have no idea of how to do such but a very good
resource it seems, especially for people who want to build from scratch.
Of course this has much more than EV stuff as it was made
for all homebuilt cars.
So enjoy and maybe make it or some of it for our OS EV site.
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
David Mcafee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jerry
Feel free to use the list, though I would appreciate
you leaving my name and email attached (though not
necessary, if your group adds to it, I would be more
than happy to include their stuff.
The list you intend to add it to must support HTML for
the Knowledge Base to be navigateable or at least a
place to put files.
I will attach a copy of the latest list, that way you
have the orginal source.
Please keep me informed if it works out correctly.
Dave
--- jerry dycus wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> Can I put your knowledge base on
> the EVDL list to show them how to make one for open
> source EV's?
> Will it work if I post it there
> from your other postings of it?
> If they like it, could you help us
> build our own for EV's? You'd be welcomed to add
> our stuff to yours if you like?
> I've leaned a lot from it already,
> great resource !!
> Thanks,
> Jerry Dycus
> dave_mcafee_39 wrote:
> Thanks
> The Internet appears to be infinite, I always find
> something new.
> Thank the Google gods for what the list has. Please
> either post or
> send me the "missing URL" either way I will post it
> next revision.
>
Home Built Cars Pointer List
This list was orginally developed as a Knowledge Base for the Homebuilt
Usergroup, it has expanded significantly as I researched small car
construction. As I researched the building of a small car, I found it
desireable to include information from the "human powered" area. The smallest
car is simply a motor powered version of a previously human powered vehicle.
This list is in Netscape bookmark format and may easily be inported into
your existing bookmark file.
Created 10/29/2005
Revised 11/21/2005
Revised 11/23/2005
Revised 12/08/2005
Please send your list suggestions and any new sites to Dave McAfee at [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
Knowledge Base
Elsewhere Not Classified
Bodies
Pictures
Let's Play With Fiberglass: Streetrod Stuff
Bodywork
Using Fiberglass/Foam Sandwich Composite
Chris' Tutorials
Sports Racer Network
Building a Composite Aircraft
SMITTYSFAB.com - Fairings, Wheelpants, Seat tanks, for all of your Composite
needs.
random research dp1
Roadster-T Body
The VORTEX plans page
Geodesic AiroLITE Boats - ultra lightweight SOF canoes and boats; plans,
projects and tutorials
Mark's Greenspeed SLR
The North American Velomobilist Website
Paul Jones Coroplast Full fairing on his Rotator Recumbent Bicycle HPV Bike
COROPLAST HPV BODY CONSTRUCTION
Recumbent bicycle Fairing construction
CalCom dwg1.GIF (GIF Image, 1537x1075 pixels) - Scaled (49%)
Autocycle<br> Master Pattern
How To Build a Streamliner Part Two
Parts
Tires
CGR_tire_rollingresistance.pdf (application/pdf Object)
B&S 1920 Buckboard Parts
Parts as required by Everett Moore's plans fort the 1920 B&S Buckboard
Grainger: Industrial Supply, Material Handling Equipment, Tools, Safety
Equipment, HVAC, Lighting and More
Moore's Code G
McMaster-Carr
Moore's code MCC
Snowmobile Parts, ATV Parts, Go Kart Parts, Mini Bike Part, Lawn Mower Parts,
Chainsaw Part and Small Engine Parts
Moore's code MS
Generators, heaters and wood stoves, snow blowers, pressure washers, and more
from NorthernTool.com!
Moore's code NT
Small Engine Warehouse--Engine - Generator - Pressure Washer
Moore's code SEW
Pilot Supplies, Avionics, and Homebuilt Aircraft Parts from Aircraft Spruce and
Specialty Co.
Moore's code as
Go Kart Galaxy- Go Kart Parts and Minibike Parts at Discount Prices
Moore's code GKG
Ubuildit Plans: Off road go kart plans, Go Kart Parts, Plans and Kits.
EV's
Battery Chargers 12 volt 24 36 auto car truck portable trickle | BatteryStuff
evparts.com Home
Go Carts
Go Kart Galaxy- Go Kart Parts and Minibike Parts at Discount Prices
BMI Karts and Supplies - Home
Go Kart Supply Online Catalog | Go Kart Parts
Ubuildit Plans: Off road go kart plans, Go Kart Parts, Plans and Kits.
Go Karts and Go Kart Kits and Parts and Accessories - KW Popular Motorsports -
We Ship Worldwide to your Home or Business
Buggy Building Components, Materials, Tools and Adhesives - US
Generators, heaters and wood stoves, snow blowers, pressure washers, and more
from NorthernTool.com!
DIY Go Karts - Free Building Plans - Karts and Mini Choppers
Replica Gas Mini Car Custom Go Karts - Recreational and Promotional
Engines
Honda Engines
Motorized Bicycles, Bicycle engines by Staton-Inc.
Small Engine Parts - Lawnmower Engine Parts - Briggs & Stratton
Small Engine Suppliers - Your online source for Replacement Small Engines
Small Engine Warehouse--Engine - Generator - Pressure Washer
Small Engines, Lawnmower Propane Gas Engine Parts, best prices, deals, service,
Sales, TEW, Battery Chargers,
Smith Service - Home - Home of Smith Service gas engine parts
Miscellaneous
600 Racing Online Catalog
Acceleration Calculators
Autocycle Part Suppliers
Azusa's Components Index
Complete front end kits come with wheels
Desertkarts.com Mini Rail Plans Parts & Off-road Go Karts
DSR Engines
eMachineShop - Online Machine Shop - with FREE CAD Software
Generators, heaters and wood stoves, snow blowers, pressure washers, and more
from NorthernTool.com!
Hydraulic Equipment Electric Motors
JC Whitney: Aftermarket Auto Parts & Accessories for Cars, Trucks, Motorcycles
& More
Lawn Mower Parts & Lawn Tractor Parts
McMaster-Carr
Pilot Supplies, Avionics, and Homebuilt Aircraft Parts from Aircraft Spruce and
Specialty Co.
Plano Power Equipment - Reference Materials Small engines
Rawge's Mini Chopper Information Site - Gearing and Sprockets
SMITTYSFAB.com - Fairings, Wheelpants, Seat tanks, for all of your Composite
needs.
Snowmobile Parts, ATV Parts, Go Kart Parts, Mini Bike Part, Lawn Mower Parts,
Chainsaw Part and Small Engine Parts
Snyder's Antique Auto Parts - Model A Ford and Model T Ford Parts
Sports Racer Network
Tractor Supply Company - Men's Clothing: Men's Insulated Bib & Coveralls
Tuthill Controls Group
Welcome to Stults Outdoor Products - Westport, Indiana
Publications
Human powered
Velo Vision Magazine - inspiring news of specialised cycles, bikes as transport
and human power
Recumbent & Tandem Rider Magazine
Recumbent Cyclist News
'BentRider Online
Human Power Institute - Home / News
Classic Motor Monthly On-line! The autojumble in cyberspace - classic, vintage
& veteran cars for sale, car spares and much more.
Engine and Wheels
gizmag Article: Aprilia Magnet: Hybrid three-wheeler with supercar performance
Green Car Congress: Electric (Battery)
Martindale's Calculators On-Line Center
Poor Man's Publications - Energy & Money Saving
Includes plans for a "Buckboard" Style
Powell's Books - Search Results
Boy Mechanics Vols 1,2,3,4
Rust Removal
article-electro
Electrolytic Rust Removal
Electrolytic Rust Removal
Welding
Beardmore Bros Mig Welding
Beardmore Bros Tig Welding
Other
Beardmore Bros Lockwire
CAD Software
f l u k e . m o t o r s p o r t . w e i g h t . c a l c u l a t o r
Licensing And Insurance For Homebuilt Vehicles
Vehicle Bolt Pattern Reference
Woodie Cars & Trucks - Old Woodies
Woodie Gallery: Cyclecars - Old Woodies
Brakes
Chassis
Space Frame
Grabercars.com - Home of 'La Bala' - Archives - Chassis Building
new_project_chassis_page1
Reliant V8 Kitten (page 3)
Buggy Plans, Go Kart Plans, Two Seater, Suspension Kart, Buggy Kits, Kart Kits,
Buggy Parts, Kart Parts.
CalCom dwg2.GIF (GIF Image, 1485x935 pixels) - Scaled (57%)
cc Chassis.JPG (JPEG Image, 279x204 pixels)
DIYSportsCar.com - Design
Stalker 2+2
Engines
Discussion Groups
Kohler_Engine_Club
Onan_Engine_Club
SmallEngines : Small Engines is a open forum intended as a resource for
individuals studying small engines
tecumseh_engine_group
A New Beginning
Build a Pulsejet Engine
Classic Engines
DSR Engines
Gas-Turbine Jet Engine: The Gokart
http://biketransplant.tripod.com/
Plano Power Equipment - Reference Materials Small engines
Small Engine Warehouse--Engine - Generator - Pressure Washer
TURBOCHARGER GAS TURBINE - Page 3
Heating and Cooling
Flex-a-lite Automotive Cooling Division
Motors
eCycle - Advanced Brushless Motor Solutions - Hybrid Technology
electric motor
Extensive electric motor site
EV Trading Post
Hydraulic Equipment Electric Motors
Suspension and Steering
Beardmore Bros How To Do Tracking
CalCom dwg4.GIF (GIF Image, 1435x1049 pixels) - Scaled (51%)
Car Bibles : The Car Suspension Bible
Car Suspension, The basics
caster angle: Information From Answers.com
Howstuffworks "How Car Suspensions Work"
Transmissions and Drive Train
Champion Sidecars - Reverse Gear
Comet Torque Converters - High Performance Go Kart, Snowmobile, Lawn & Garden
Light Duty Utility Vehicles, Golf Carts and ATV Torque Converter Series
Continuously Variable Transmission
Hydraulic Equipment Electric Motors
Sandbullet | Home
Transmission/Type II CVT
Batteries, Cntrls, and Chrgrs
Valence - U-Charge⢠Power System â Kilowatts of safe Lithium-ion Power
BatteryTest: Five more Li-Ion Batteries - ExtraEnergy.org
Wiring
CalCom dwg8.GIF (GIF Image, 1641x1103 pixels) - Scaled (48%)
Builder/ Owners
Cyclecars
CycleKart Specifications
hypertrike.org home page
An Introduction to CycleKarting
Typ59CK.pdf (application/pdf Object)
EVs / Hybrids
Mother's Own Hybrid Car!
Latest informaion is 1980
Practical solar transportation plans at SolarVehicles.org, an open-source
project to build fuel-less solar energy transportation.
SunVee Electric
Electric based on Rhoades Car "bicycle"
EVs Design
carbuildingtips.pdf (application/pdf Object)
Electric car
So You Want to Build an Electric Car
Elecrtrathon Car Building Tips
carbuildingtips.pdf (application/pdf Object)
Electric Vehicle Discussion List Photo Album, Our Electric Cars on the Web
Maranello 4cycle > Energy > SCE
Four Wheelers
LOCOST
Building a Sevenesque Sports Car
Gecko DIYSportsCar.com Home
Mid engine version of the LOCOST
kitcar lotus seven car design
Simon's Locost Clubman Site
Very Extensive list of builder owners
Race Cars Design
Build Your Own Race Car! Design information, resources & more...
random research dp1
Sports Racer Network
Tiger Racing :: Sportscars For Road and Track
Africar
Car to desgined to be built in low income countries, plywood body
Custom Car Building Project
Cyclops Home of Cyclops
Originally in one of sports car magaziones as a pun
Kimini 2.2 car project.
'La Bala - Grabercars.com -- Welcome to Grabercars.com!
Lambo Lounge - Diablo Kit Car
Meerkat Home
Myers Motors NmG
random research dp1
Sesam Tech
Tango Commuter Cars
Ultima V12 Jay Esterer's
Valica SCR GT: Filip Valica's Scratchbuilt GT Concept
Zerohan Car is the Homebuild Micro Racing Car in Japan.
Go Carts
Shows A - Z : Weekend Mechanic : Go-Kart, Part 1 : DIY Network
Shows A - Z : Weekend Mechanic : Go-Kart, Part 2 : DIY Network
Go Carts Design
Buggy-Building Photos
DIY Go Karts - Free Building Plans - Karts and Mini Choppers
The Karting Performance Community
Kit Cars
Kit Car Links - Contents Page: kitcars and replica websites
Building a Kit Car : Fine Living
Transport : Fine Living Essentials :
Miscellaneous
Rorty Technical Page
Go Kart mfg, lots of do it your self tools etc
Sherman - 1/5 Scale Sherman Tank
Not exactly a car, but construction techniqes may pretain
DIY Network
Build A Kit Car
Gas-Turbine Jet Engine: The Gokart
Three Wheelers
Three Wheel Design
Comparison of 2f1r and 1 fr2r layouts
fig-3whl.gif (GIF Image, 670x555 pixels) - Scaled (96%)
Front vs back single wheel - Comparison of three wheel configurations
fig-3whl.gif (GIF Image, 670x555 pixels) - Scaled (96%)
Thoughts and Ideas over building a trike
A-L
AC Petite Alternative Autos
AF Alternative Autos
AF and Lion
Allard Clipper Alternative Autos
Autocycle Development
Bajaj 3-Wheeled utility vehicles for efficient and low cost short range
transportation of loads up to 1,000 lbs.
BD Trike bede BD5
Berkeley Cars
Berkley Alternative Autos
Berkley Alternative Autos
Blue Sky Design
Blue Sky Design - products
Bond Alternative Autos
Bond Bug Ivan Smith
Bond Bug Bobs Bug Pages
Bond Bug Bond Cars
Bond Bug bondbugs.co.uk
Bond Bug The Bond Bug Web Site
Bra Home
California Commuter - World Record Holding 155 MPG Freeway Legal Car!
C2C Calif Commuter Dwgs
CARVER - The most athletic car in the world
Citroen Specials Club Home Page
Cree
Davis Registry - Powered by Hemmings Motor News
Davis Registry -- Ypsilanti, MI
Davis The Steidel / Davis Photo Page
Davis The Steidel / Davis Photo Page
Duryea Charles Duryea automobiles, Peoria
Dymaxion WNET: Bucky Fuller Dymaxion Car
E 2
E2_03.jpg (JPEG Image, 1181x773 pixels) - Scaled (63%)
Electric Tilter
EV3PO
Fire Aero trikes
Force ...::: Welcome Home Force :::...
Grinnall Cars
Grinnall Scorpion III Tym Norris' Home Page
Index of /Trike
Isetta Owners Club Of Great Britain
JZR - Threewheeler in Deutschland
JZR PILOTS' ASSOCIATION
Kleinschnittger Alternative Autos
kneeler
Litestar Pulse Index
Lomax 223 / Filby The Filby Flyer
Lomax neue lomax - seite
PopCult Magazine
DriveBUV
M-Z
Malone
Manx
mesa
Messerschmitt
Messerschmitt.co.uk
Metropolis japan ..::.. cars & bikes ::..
MoranKitCarRaptorTrike : MoranKitCar's Raptor Trike
Morgan BerryBrook - Sales, servicing, accessories and parts for Morgan sports
cars, Reliant, Smart, Ligier and Microcar
Morgan GoMoG
Morgan Motor Company
Morgan REGISTER
Morgan Three Wheeler Club
Morgan Three Wheeler page
Morgan Three-wheelers Private site
Morton 3 Rare Component Cars-Morton3
PAC-Car II - PAC-Car I vs PAC-Car II
Peel Alternative Autos
Pembleton
Peugeot
Piaggio - Gateway
Piaggio Center - full range of Piaggio, Gilera and Vespa scooters
Pulse Litestar Index
R. Buckminster Fuller on PBS
Raleigh
Reliant Carwise Reliant Spares
Reliant Henry Maslin
Reliant Kitten Online
Reliant Mein Hobby: Autos renovieren / My hobby: restoring cars / Citroen 2CV,
Reliant, Loamx
Reliant PartsWorld Ltd - Reliant parts, Scimitar parts, Piaggio vehicles, Derbi
bikes & scooters
Reliant Services
Reliant/Bond 3 Classic Microcars
Reliants Online
Scarab Crusader
Schmitt Project Updated 11/24/04
Scoot-Coupe
SCORPION Three Wheel Car Artby Shepherds
Version of Vortex
Sinclair C5 Enthusiasts - At RetroTrader.Com - I AM A REAL COLLECTOR OF C5's
!!!!
Singer North American Singer Owners Club, dedicated to restoring Singer cars
Sparrow
Spirit owners club
sub3wheeler : sub3wheeler
Three Wheeler Dealer,Delivery Van for Sale,Auto Rickshaw Exporters,Three
Wheeler Delivery Van,Auto Rickshaw for Sale,Three Wheeler Dealer India
Tracer MILLENNIUM MOTORCYCLE'S
Tri Magnum Robert Q. Riley Enterprises: Product Design & Development
Plans for this and other cars
Tri-Electric Drive Electric: Three Wheeled Electric Car
Trihawk
Triking
Triking Cyclecars
Trikky
TriMagnum - JIM'S PAGE FOR THREE WHEELING CARS!
Tryane Alternative Autos
Twike.ca
Velorex
Velorex - Microcar
Velorex Alternative Autos
Vigillante Cover Page
Vortex Alex Smith's Build
Vortex Dan Lenox's Build
Wooden Framed three wheeler, lots of detail in this site.
Zetta / Schmitt Tritech autocraft manufacturers of zetta and schmitt bubblecars
and microcars Official Website
T$@
Miscellaneous
Alternative Autos
Dan Lockton | Industrial Design Engineer
Finnish Microcar Association Suomen Kääpiöautoyhdistys ry -
Max Hall - Homepage
Mein Hobby: Autos renovieren / My hobby: restoring cars / Citroen 2CV, Reliant,
Loamx
Microcar Models
Microcars CYM, Clwb Y Meicrocar (the Welsh Microcar Club) all kinds of small,
electric, Human Powered, 3-wheeled and weird vehicles
Netherlands DWAC_Main
Scooters India
Terry's Model Cars
The Texas Sidecar Co.
Welcome to Automotive Creation - Thomas Touw
Car Build Groups
King Midgets
KingMidget
Midget Motors Supply
Welcome to The International King Midget Car Club, Inc.
3 Wheelers
Directory : Concept Cars
Automite
fireaero : fireaero 3 wheeler
IndyCycleOwners : IndyCycle Group
lomax : a group for owners of "LOMAX" 3 and 4 wheel kit cars and other 3 wheel
kit cars of any make
MoranKitCarRaptorTrike
Sub3wheeler
Three-wheelers
tilting : Tilting Vehicles
Trimagnum3wheelers
TriMagnum3Wheelers2
Vortex3wheeler
3-wheelers.com MainPage
Drive Electric: Three Wheeled Electric Car
Modbee.com | The Modesto Bee
Sceadu Design
LOCOST
Locost_Atom
Locost_NZ : Locost_NZ
Locost_Oz : Locost Oz
Locost_Portugal : Locost 7 Portugal Group
Locost_SA : Locost_SA
locost_svante : My locost build
Locost_Theory : Forum for theoretical discussion of construction and
modification of Lotus 7 type sports cars and related specials.
mkindy : MK Indy
Rotus7
Clubman Builders Resource
coveland7.com
LocostBuilders
EV's
DIY_EV_CARS
ElectricVehicles : A place for those people interested in p
EVBMS : EV Battery Management System
Kewet : Kewet
nevtalk : NEVs
Electric Auto Association - Chapters
OEVA: [ Home ] Oregon Electric Vehicles Association
Welcome to Plasma Boy Racing, home of White Zombie, the world's quickest street
legal electric door slammer in the 1/4 mile drag.
Links Welcome to Plasma Boy Racing, home of White Zombie, the world's quickest
street legal electric door slammer in the 1/4 mile drag.
SunVee
Others
1CylinderMicroCars
Amphibious Car Builders
Bike-engined-cars
CabinScooters
Constructors Car Club (Inc)
Curved Dash Oldsmobile Club - Powered by Hemmings Motor News
DIY_ev_cars
Funtech_Owners
IndyCycleOwners
Kimini : The Kimini Project
Kit_cars
Lomax : a group for owners of "LOMAX" 3 and 4 wheel kit cars and other 3 wheel
kit cars of any make
Meerkat project
MG TD Kit Car Club - A club for owners a
PH: Gassing Station
Robinhood2b
Small Efficient Vehicles
Tigerracing : List for people interested in the kitcars made by Tiger Racing
Lists, Photos etc
Electrics
Advanced Vehicle Testing Activity - Test Reports for Vehicles by Manufacturer
and Model
BioMod
Electric Vehicle Discussion List Photo Album, Our Electric Cars on the Web
Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (
Prospects for NEV by Daniel Sperling
Go Carts
Discount Prices - Twister,Carter,Yerf Dog Go Karts and More Go Karts
Trials car
Twister Hammerhead Junior 150 Two seat Go-kart
Yerf-Dog 150cc Spider Box Go-Kart â Model# 42134 | Go-Karts | Go-Karts,
Mini-Bikes + Scooters | Northern Tool + Equipment
Pointer Lists
Welcome to Plasma Boy Racing, home of White Zombie, the world's quickest street
legal electric door slammer in the 1/4 mile drag.
EV pointer List
Three Wheeler
3-wheelers A-Z tour
TTW - Motorized
Other
Constructors Car Club (Inc)
Davis Registry - Menu
Microcar & Minicar Club Cars List
MIcrocar Musuem 1959 F.G. L. Alicante
VW Based Kit Cars
Woodie Gallery: Cyclecars - Old Woodies
The Bruce Weiner Microcar Museum
Neighborhood Electric Vechicle
Some of these vehicles may look like golf cars or futuristic space buggies,
but regardless of their appearance, NHTSA requires them to have a maximum
allowable speed of 25 mph and come equipped with the following features: *
Windshield * Turn signals * Wiper blades * Rearview mirrors * Head and tail
lights * Seatbelts * Reflectors * Parking brake
Advanced Technology Vehicles: Neighborhood Electric Vehicles
Clean Cities Vehicle Buyer's Guide For Consumers: Neighborhood Electric
Vehicles
Green Car Group
Green Car Institute
Household Markets for Neighborhood Electric Vehicles in California
Innovative Transport Vehicle Development
Motor Scooters and Other Low Powered Vehicles
Miinnesota Briefing Paper
Neighborhood Electric Vehicles
NEVs
Proceedings of the Neighborhood Electric Vehicle Workshop
SunVee
Plans
Practical solar transportation plans at SolarVehicles.org, an open-source
project to build fuel-less solar energy transportation.
Practical solar transportation plans at SolarVehicles.org, an open-source
project to build fuel-less solar energy transportation.
Quadricycle
California DMV Definintion A "motorized quadricycle" is a four-wheeled
device, and a "motorized tricycle" is a three-wheeled device, designed to carry
not more than two persons, including the driver, and having either an electric
motor or a motor with an automatic transmission developing less than two gross
brake horsepower and capable of propelling the device at a maximum speed of not
more than 30 miles per hour on level ground. The device shall be utilized only
by a person who by reason of physical disability is otherwise unable to move
about as a pedestrian or by a senior citizen as defined in Section 13000.
Definition
CabinScooters : Message: motorized tri/quad cycle
CycleKart Specifications
Reference.com/Encyclopedia/Quadricycle
Quadricycle
Gasoline
1896 Ford Quadricycle
Dimension EDGE 2000
Dimension EDGE 2000
Dimension EDGE 2000
Ford Quadricycle
Mark Baker - Roleplaying - Castle Falkenstein - The Simm's Quadricycle
Massey-Harris Quadricycle
Staton-Inc.
THE QUADRICYCLE: HENRY FORD'S FIRST CAR
Electric
Cloud Electric Vehicles - Battery VS Vehicle Weight - DC Electric Vehicles and
Home Power Supplies
Electric Vehicle Challenge - Murdoch University
Electric Vehicle Challenge - Murdoch University
EV Challenge 2003
Lightfoot Cycles - Products
Practical solar transportation plans at SolarVehicles.org, an open-source
project to build fuel-less solar energy transportation.
Practical solar transportation plans at SolarVehicles.org, an open-source
project to build fuel-less solar energy transportation.
SunVee
Parts
Electric
24VOLT
Cloud Electric Vehicles - Frames / Suspensions - DC Electric Vehicles and Home
Power Supplies
hub motor, brushless dc motor, electric bike, power wheelchair,e-bike
conversion kit
Kinetics - Fitting the Heinzmann Electric Motor System to your Bike
Wildernessenergy - Electric Bike, Electric Bike Motor, Electric Bike Conversion
Kit
BionX is Both, Electric and Exercise - ExtraEnergy.org
BatteryTest: Five more Li-Ion Batteries - ExtraEnergy.org
Pedelecs&E-Bikes - Products, E-Scooters, Vehicle Tests, BatteryTest, Dealers,
Manufacturers, Company Reports - ExtraEnergy.org
Gasoline
Honda Worldwide | World News | Press Release | August 26, 2003
Robin Subaru | Engine Details | EH035
Running Gear
Transmission / torque converter
Comet Torque Converters - High Performance Go Kart, Snowmobile, Lawn & Garden
Light Duty Utility Vehicles, Golf Carts and ATV Torque Converter Series
Custom Mini Choppers, Barstool Racers, Go-Karts, Lowrider Bikes, ATV, Jr Drag
Bikes, Jr Dragsters
Mini Bikes, Frames, forks and kits.
Torq-A-Verter 2 installation
What a torque converter system looks like as it shifts from one range to
another
Body
Geodesic AiroLITE Boats - ultra lightweight SOF canoes and boats; plans,
projects and tutorials
Mark's Greenspeed SLR
Human Powered
DIY
Builder's Corner
Pointer List Quite comprehensive
Electric trike
Framebuilding & Misc Links
Pointer List not validated
Home Built Bikes - Links
Home-Built Recumbents
How to build a Streamliner - Human Powered Vehicle construction
How To Build a Streamliner Part Two
How To Get Your Dirt Cheap Recumbent
Long Wheel Base Tour Easy Clone
plans
Quadricycle
Still Dirt Cheap Homebuilt USS Recumbent
The Work Shop
Tom Porter's Recumbent Bike Plans - SWB versions
TTW - Tilting Three Wheelers
USS electric trike
WISIL HPVers projects and rumors page
Velomobiles
The North American Velomobilist Website
Aerorider - the ultra light hybrid tricycle
Bikefix - v e l o m o b i l e s
Cab-Bike
Directions
Flevobike technology
Human Powered Vehicle Tricycle velomobile LifeCycles Auckland New Zealand
In search of an all-weather bike | GreenAsh
International Human Powered Vehicle Association (IHPVA)Website
LigfietsPlaza - Fotoboek: Thomas van Schaik
Good pictures of body construction and assembly, text in Dutch
LigfietsPlaza - ligfietsen, ervaringen, merken, clubs etc.
In Dutch
LigfietsPlaza - zelfbouwers - Mark Swartz -
LigfietsPlaza - zelfbouwers - Mark Swartz -
Reg Rodaro Velomobile Covers
Reg Rodaro Velomobiles
Rotator Recumbent Bicycles
Steve's Velomobile Project
Sunstrike technical information
The Car Cycle
The Leitra Homepage
The new go-one
The Velomobile Is Cominâ To Town
ThinkCycle: Open Collaborative Design
Trikes, velomobiles and recumbents
Untitled Document
Velomobile
Velomobile Guide
velomobile.de
Velomobiles
Velomobiles
VelomobileUSA and Pedal Yourself Healthy
Velomobiling - Content
velosup1.jpg (JPEG Image, 800x441 pixels)
Welkom op de site van Velomobiel.nl
Wildfire Human Powered Vehicles
ZOXed: Some velomobiles photos
4 Wheels
Another Quadricycle Update
Body Cycles
Brox
Crank-It Mountain Quad
Edward Kron's Quadricycle
Four Wheel Bicycle - Quadricycle -4 wheel bike - Tricycle - Trike - 3 wheel
bike
Granny bike
Hoening Mobility GmbH - Ihr Fahrzeughersteller für Behindertenfahrräder -
Rollfiets - Copilot - Pendel - T-Bike
Introducing The Quadricycle Surreys From Italy
Just Two Bikes
Karbyk, Recumbent, Races, Bike ecc.
Kettler
Lightfoot Cycles - Adaptable to Every Body!
Mobilette
Palm
Pedalcoupe - High Performance Quadcylces
Prime Pedal Powered Go Karts - 3 & 4 Wheel Bikes -Fun for the Whole Family
Quadracycle - Makers of the Little Deuce Coupe quadracycle
Quadracycle Incorporated
Quadricycle International
Rhoades
Surreys by Tecnoart of America, Inc - quadricycle and four wheel bikes
3 Wheels
3 wheel makers
Aerorider - the ultra light hybrid tricycle
Belize Bike
Blue Sky Design - products
Brosker Sport
C A T R I K E - - - - - human power vehicle
Christiania Bikes UK - homepage
Greenspeed
Hellbent Spitfire the best sports recumbent trike ever!!!
Homebuilt Trikes
Hotmover recumbent trikes
Human Powered Vehicles: the future of personal transportation/ experimental
cycles
Husky bicycles, tricycles, industrial bicycles, industrial tricycles, bicycle
parts, tricycle parts
Industrial trikes adult trikes special needs trikes rental trikes - Trailmate
LoGo Recumbent Trike & HPVs Home Page
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I'm talking about a Vector charger I bought at Target. It doesn't quite raise
the voltage enough to properly charge a flooded battery, but it's just about
right for a gel.
Now if we're talking more like a Zivan charger that's a world of difference,
that has temperature compensation and a few other smart features. Your
reffering to an off the shelf charger correct?
Mark Grasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Battery chargers need to monitor the temperature of the batteries. Because
there are so many in the car they should take a sample temperatue from each
compartment and use this temperature to to set the absorption and float
voltages.
Your comment about smart chargers is way off base, maybe 5 years ago but not
today. Today's chargers are PIC based and all parameters are easily
adjustible. Current levels, Absorption, float and Equalization voltages,
temperature curves and switch to float currents are all able to be set at
precise levels.
Where are these chargers is your question? Give me till the end of February
then write me and ask if it is done yet. I have realized that in order to
complete my EV project I need a charger. IT IS the most important part if
you want your batteries to last.
Mark Grasser
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricky Suiter"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: Smart Chargers, was - Re: Am I Killing Batteries?(+)
>I think the problem with the smart chargers is they just have one charging
>algorythm for any type of battery you hook it up to. So these chargers need
>to charge flooded, gel or AGM batteries. So the problem becomes do they set
>the curve for flooded batteries and cook gel's to an early death? No the
>buyer wouldn't be happy because his battery would die real quick. So they
>settle on the most gentle curve that can charge anything, but does not
>charge properly. I have a few of these chargers and they work ok, but
>they're not 100%. The one thing I like is the particular ones I have won't
>overcharge and will automatically resart on their own so they can also
>double as a maintanier.
>
> I've found being able to manually change these little parameters is a
> huge benefit, which I'm just now starting to really realize and
> appreciate.
>
> BTW, after those two bad batteries were replaced the car's running great.
> I made some slight changes to the charge settings, but judging by the sg
> and voltages I'm seeing both before and now I don't think I was
> undercharging by any means.
>
> Roland Wiench wrote:
> Let me see, The 12 volt battery coming in from a temperature of 5 below
> is been cold soaking down to 30 degrees. This time I install the smart
> charger on board, but when I drove the EV into a warm building, and try to
> charge the battery, the smart charger was warm up to 60 degrees and only
> charge the battery for only 5 minutes. The SG was still at 1.225 SG.
> Letting the battery warm up to 60 degrees and try again, the smart charger
> would not charge it.
>
> I then switch over to the PFC-50B and adjust the max voltage to 15.2 volts
> at 40 amps for a battery setting at 60 degrees. The battery then charge up
> to 1.265 SG! in less than a hour with the ampere taper down to below 4
> amp. This is not overcharging it, because the battery temperature never
> went above 70 degrees. I exchange the smart charger for another one, but
> it did the same thing after I did more runs with the EV.
>
> I left the smart charger on continuous for over 24 hour, but the next day,
> the battery percentage was still at 55 percent and barely had 10 volts
> when I apply a 20 amp startup load.
>
> I than crank up my onboard alternator regulator voltage to 14.5 volts
> which was setting at 13.5 volts. Adjusted the idle control, so the
> alternator is now charging full time, instead of just when the motor speed
> is over 500 RPM. Now I can make a week of EV runs and the battery is now
> at 100 percent charge.
>
> So there is nothing wrong with the battery or charging it with the PFC-50B
> or alternator. But there is something wrong with the design of these Smart
> Chargers.
>
> Roland
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rich Rudman
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Am I Killing Batteries?(+)
>
>
> Roger You twit. ( I could use stronger words...but this is a familly list)
>
> The bare bones fact that you CAN adjust our dumb as a Rock charger.....
> Is a Feature worth having... and a LOT of folks can operate a
> screwdriver....
>
> Most smart chargers... are so damn Smart the adjust features are absent..
> leaving the operator at the mercy of
> the really smart fools that think they have it all figured out.
> This is a mistake.
> Since the charger desinger can't possibly know all the enviromental, cycle
> life and state of charge data points for every battery type.
>
> So... For Roland and most of this EV list... having a charger that CAN BE
> ADJUSTED... is a better solution than thousands of lines of code, that may
> not
> have anything to do with the actual problem the battery is suffering from.
>
> I am getting tired of getting hammered from not having a "Intellegent
> charger". I could have one in days if I wanted to. And Most of you know
> it...
> This Home Buildt EV customer Base needs flexabiltiy... and POWER.
> The OEM base needs turn key chargers... and can live with destroying
> battery
> packs, and shifting the blame away from the EV operator.
> Since the customer is never wrong...
> Snicker....
>
> Funny Lots of us are still tweaking our chargers, and living with OLD
> dieing
> batteries...That get the job done.
>
> Madman
> Note... .the Monster Garage Abuse...did nothing to reduce my irritation
> threshold..
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Stockton" >
> To: >
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Am I Killing Batteries?(+)
>
>
>> Joe Smalley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, That is quite a testimony about the behavior of a smart
>> > charger and a PFC-50.
>>
>> It certainly isn't anything I'd take to the bank ;^>
>>
>> The fact that Roland can crank up his PFC-50 and *overcharge* his house
>> battery because he doesn't understand that a battery is charged based on
>> the temperature it is *at*, not at the temperature he might later use it
>> in, is really a good illustration of why smart chargers are a "good
>> thing" for those who don't understand batteries well.
>>
>> Nowhere does he indicate what temperature the battery is actually at,
>> which is the only thing of interest to properly charging it. 15.53V is
>> about right for a battery at -5C (23F), but his battery is being charged
>> in a 74F ambient after being used for some amount of time in a 0F
>> ambient.
>>
>> All I can really glean from his "testimonial" is that it sounds like he
>> is relying on a voltage-based SOC indicator, and that by mis-adjusting
>> his PFC-50 he can charge the battery such that it is most likely gassing
>> and heating up more than with the smart charger such that when he takes
>> it outside for his short test (battery has little time to significantly
>> change temperature) its voltage holds up better than the cooler battery.
>>
>> Of course, a charger is not necessarily good just because it is "smart",
>> so it is possible that Roland's particular "smart" charger isn't
>> properly charging his battery either, and indeed may be erring on the
>> side of undercharging while Roland is manually erring on the side of
>> overcharging.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Roger.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Later,
> Ricky
> 02 Insight
> 92 Saturn SC2 EV 144 Volt
> Glendale, AZ USA
>
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