Hi Steve,

Excellent write-up.  Thank you.

Do you have a source for the TS cells as you describe?  I have a pack of
100Ah cells and I would like to have some spares.  I don't currently have
any and I have a couple of cells I suspect won't last as long as the others.


My cells are also the yellow cells with the blue/red button.  The conversion
has been on the road for more than 3 years, so mine are likely the same
rough age as the ones you describe.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Steve Clunn
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 6:56 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [EVDL] TS li-ion batters capacty test 5th year
> 
> From: corbin dunn <[email protected]>
> 
> Hi steve,
> <Can you do a capacity test of the two bad cells you took out?> One is
totally
> zero.  and the other, according to the customer, was dropping out at about
> 230ah, I believe this is I heard.  The other problem is... this one would
turn
> OFF the Charger.  An interesting thing happened when I was charging the
> two replacement batteries.  I had them in Parallel, trickle charging them
at
> 3amps for days.  When I put them in the car, and charged the pack,
including
> the new ones, one of the new ones did not come up to 3.6V which is where
> the regulators have the red and green light ON.  So I hooked my little
power
> supply up to the one battery and it took 2 days for him to come up to the
> 3.65V that the regulators show those lights ON.  This means, that even
> though the 2 batteries were charged in Parallel, for days,  one was
> approximately 50ah behind the other.
> 
> 
> <How many miles did the guy get before the two cells failed?> almost
> 40,000.  these are not the first cells to have failed.  I believe there
were 2
> others the years before.  Of course when we say "failed" here, we are
talking
> about under 260ah.
> 
>  <How much time?>
> 5 years.
> 
> <What is the BMS settings for min voltage (discharge) and max voltage
> (charging)?>
> 
> Min. buzzer is: 2.7v  and Max red/green lights lit:  3.6v I believe the
charger is
> told to shut OFF at  3.7V
> 
> <What model TS cells?>
> These are the yellow with the Blue / red button in the center.
> Probably what ever was popular 5 years ago.
> 
> Originally, the charger was set for 45 cells.  My customer decided to put
3
> extra cells in, to cut back on the aggressive charging.  The Charger now
will sit
> at .2amps and not have the regulators force the charger to stop charging.
> The process of leaving the charger ON until all red/green lights on
> the mini BMS is lit is done about once a month, I believe.   He has a
> collection of charger, which when all are plugged in, put out about
70amps.
> After doing the capacity test, I charged the pack back with the small
12amp
> charger.  I will check today to see that all red/green lights come ON.
> I would like to do one more capacity test while I am here ( off the
clock). To
> see if there is any difference.
> 
> The more opportunity I get to play with these batteries,  the more that I
am
> seeing that they are not like Lead Acid Batteries.  One problem with them
> that I see, is that if you have ONE cell whose resistance is higher than
the
> others, the BMS will start shunting current on that one cell, giving him
less ah.
> As this process continues cycle after cycle, that one cell ends up with
less ah
> than the rest.  Which means on the discharge, he is that much closer to
the
> critical area than the rest. So he starts to heat up more than the others.
This
> in turn, makes his two friends on either side of him...
> a little warmer.  It seems that the cells usually go out in pairs or in
3's..  And
> my guess is that the Center one is the stinker and the two on either side
take
> the heat.
> 
> Steve Clunn
> 
> I replaced a 200ah Thundersky cell after ~20,000 miles / 2(ish) years.
> Its capacity loss was about 30% (off the top of my head -- I can find the
actual
> number if someone wants to know)
> 
> corbin
> 
> 
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> Steve Clunn
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