David, Don't worry - I will remain active on the EVDL as long as I have time to spend. But I need to guard where I invest my time according "pick your battles". So, if someone starts to behave like a troll, constantly repeating the same false information and even giving clear information that he is not familiar with a certain subject by using the wrong terms and confusing information that he believes to be different than it is clearly defined, then I get the feeling that I am not investing my valuable time in a good way.
You can believe all you want and you can even have an opinion poll about whether self-discharge is real or not, but when I want to know, I simply grab a calibrated meter and take a reading. If I want to know a rate or trend then I write that data down and repeat the measurement over time again and again until I have enough data that proves to me what is happening. I might even run multiple tests parallel or repeat tests, so I know it is not a fluke and I might also calibrate before and after, for example checking that discharge that I see is not related to loss of capacity (this is also done in the IEEE papers, in the University presentation that I shared and in the measurements that Lee Hart has been conducting over decades). Besides, after a couple back-and-forth sessions with the same info being repeated I am sure that over 90% of the readers have tuned out anyway and those that are still reading already have all the info, so if the other person insists to repeat the wrong info one more time then so be it. We know his position and apparently I am not going to convince him with my measured data that can easily be repeated (because I even specified how I did it) and in every answered post he takes a little bit of the info that I provided, but twisted into a wrong assumption and given back as a proof that I must have overlooked something. Sorry, but that kind of treatment does not sit well with me and so I am now trying the troll treatment, which means no response, so that he finds nobody to argue with or at least not me. I will be happy to answer any questions from any other list member, since it is my choice to spend many hours a week helping people to make the best choices for their EV or batteries or other renewable resources, as well as trying to fact-check the shared info here so we stay on the correct side of the laws of Physics. Regards, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 10:16 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Final post, was: Bicycle battery On 19 Jun 2015 at 14:48, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > I have tried to give input and set some of your claims straight, but I > need to stop investing my time because I judge that it has become a > waste of time since you appear not to listen to correction. Cor, please remember that you're not just talking to one person, you're providing useful information for 668 other list members. We're seeing an age-old problem here. Knowledge is hard won, but believing is easy. There will always be people who take advantage of that fact to promote themselves. In the EV world, such folks seem to often jabber endlessly on Youtube. ;-) As in other disciplines and other centuries, they can cause actual harm. That's why it's important to keep countering their invalid messages. They're loud and persistent. Sometimes it seems as if you pedal with all your might just to stay in place. But (to mix metaphors) you're always scattering seeds of knowledge. Often they take root where you least expect it. Science has been fighting ignorance like this for centuries. As far as I can tell, it's the only way humanity has been able to make any progress at all! David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
