Since it appears that the number of EVs powered by renewable energy has gone from 50 to 80% in just a few years, why do you promote to be "conservative" with the numbers? That is only doing EVs a disservice, since both EVs and solar are becoming more and more ubiquitous so much so that solar installing companies, even though they are growing fast, they will not take any jobs that are a bit more challenging since there is such a big and continuously growing market for them. So, no need to be conservative. Coal power is history. It is not because of more strict regulations (even though "the polluter pays" would have been nice for so many people suffering from the results of decades of burning coal) but simply the business case for coal is worse than for investing in clean power, so why bother? And for home owners it still pays off to go through the trouble of having solar installed on their roof, especially if charging the EV will push them into the expensive high tiers. So, almost everyone buying an EV will consider "how do I fuel it" and ends up with a cheaper solution when adding solar in the mix, so I see no reason to change the message that the vast majority of EVs run on 100% renewable.
Personally I do not (yet) have solar on my home (long story) but I do use 100% renewable energy by paying a few bucks every month to Arcadia (if you are interested - feel free to use my referral: https://myenergy.arcadiapower.com/referral/by/cornelis0519 So even though I have no installation on my own home, I do get 100% green electricity for my EV. This means that even apartment dwellers can fuel their EV with green power if they choose to, obviously without the benefit of saving on their bill, it is only helping in the "I do my part in reducing my carbon footprint". Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130 Tel: +1 408 383 7626 Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 -----Original Message----- From: EV on behalf of Mark Abramowitz via EV Sent: Fri 8/14/2015 8:46 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot You may be correct, but as EVs become ubiquitous, and not just the early adopters, the % of those using solar must decline. That is, unless solar becomes significantly more ubiquitous than EVs. Better to be conservative with the numbers. (IMO, of course) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> I also have gotten the coal claim, which I correct, >> giving the power generating mix in my state, >> but I get the impression they don't believe it. > > You may power your EV from the dirty power in your state, but studies in > 2012 showed about 50% of EV owners charged their cars from 100% renewable > solar or wind. Now just last week (2015) the Ford survey found that 83% > of EV purchasers charge from 100% renewables or will when they can. > > So quoting the grid mix is doing a disservice to 83% of EV owners and is > dead wrong by a factor of FIVE, because it IGNORES the fact that most of > the people buying EV's are also buying 100% clean electricity. > > You are doing EV's a disservice by quoting the dirty grid mix. Get a show > of hands in your local EV club. In ours, 2/3rds of the EV owners also > have solar to charge them. > > It is NO COINCIDENCE that most people who buy EV's also want to do it with > clean energy. > > Using the grid mix is damning the future by the sins of the past. Or its > like saying that because 18% of Americans smoke that I have an 18% chance > of dying of lung cancer (But, I don't smoke)! > > And even if the grid mix is 40% coal, if 83% of EV drivers charge from > 100% renewables then simple math shows that the -average- percentage of > coal electricity for EV drivers is then 40% * 17% or under 7%. A far cry > from the "grid mix" you are quoting. > > Plus, the use of coal since 2008 has gone DOWN by over 20% and keeps going > down! > > Bob, WB4APR > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
