I’m not following you. Lower emission standards are MORE costly, right? Even if not, I can see how you want to call it a bailout, but I guess that’s the case with any regulatory scheme. But I never hear it called a bailout.
As far as Tesla, it’s hard to say the impact. Up until a certain point, the more folks out there with the new technology, everybody benefits. At some point (have we reached it yet?), these things make a difference in the opposite direction. But this is what we want, isn’t it? We’ve put in lots of incentives for electric drive, and gee, companies are taking advantage of them! Weakening of other standards is another story. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Read between the lines. They want to have lower emission standards on their > trucks and SUVs so it will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement > their electric vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do > to companies like Tesla. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com> wrote: >> >> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that. >> >> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says >> nothing about a government bailout. >> >> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, but >> is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and >> have been investing in both types of EVs. >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>> >>> Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another >>> government bailout. >>> https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate >>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate >>>> October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales through >>>> 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range >>>> electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide >>>> emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle mandates >>>> ... >>>> >>>> >>>> GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ... >>>> International Business Times-31 minutes ago >>>> General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to back >>>> a >>>> nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like >>>> electric >>>> ... >>>> >>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate >>>> Bloomberg-42 minutes ago >>>> The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for >>>> automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's >>>> biggest automaker has ... >>>> >>>> GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate >>>> WHSV-1 hour ago >>>> California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that considers >>>> the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for >>>> fully electric ... >>>> >>>> General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ... >>>> USA TODAY-1 hour ago >>>> It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric vehicle >>>> research and development and production, improve the environment and make >>>> electric ... >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate >>>> >>>> >>>> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's >>>> requirement >>>> for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's >>>> ... >>>> >>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ... >>>> www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars >>>> 51 mins ago >>>> >>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ... >>>> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars >>>> 51 mins ago >>>> >>>> [dated] >>>> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ... >>>> https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html >>>> Aug 2, 2018 >>>> >>>> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch >>>> https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate... >>>> Jul 23, 2018 >>>> >>>> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't ... >>>> www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html >>>> Feb 2, 2018 >>>> >>>> Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ... >>>> https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo... >>>> Feb 26, 2018 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: >>>> http://evdl.org/archive/ >>>> >>>> >>>> {brucedp.neocities.org} >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181026/c34f74c9/attachment.html> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
