"Do you _need_ an AM radio in your car?"

No.  But it was sure nice to have when we were heading north out of Weed CA Route 97 on a dark December night not long ago.  The sign said to tune your radio to some AM frequency for traffic conditions.  That saved us a lot of time because the road was closed to all but four wheel drive.  So we turned around and returned to Interstate 5 and went through Portland, normally a much longer drive.  Cell phone coverage is very poor along that route.  So the AM radio was the only thing that informed us.

Cell phone coverage is getting better and I am seeing more apps that provide current road conditions.  So I think that the "need" for AM radio is decreasing.  But I was sure glad we had it on that trip.


Later,

Cliff Crabtree


On 11/10/18 10:43 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote:
There is no "ground" in a vehicle, only "chassis". (Unless the vehicle is on charge and connected to the grid.) The drivetrain and the AM radio share the chassis "ground", which is likely the root of the problem.

The EMI comes from the controller PWM switching, goes into the chassis, (and is radiated in general by the drive components,) and is received by the AM radio.

The AM radio can be filtered, but that adds cost, is difficult, reduces the sensitivity, and likely the sound fidelity of the AM radio. The drive train can be designed to reduce the EMI in the specific frequency region of AM, which adds significant cost, and is _/very/_ difficult. You can locate the sensitive components of the AM radio away from the drive train, which is a bit difficult and adds cost.

    Is the cost worth the improvement of the AM radio reception? Most folks don't care, and the added cost of clear sensitive AM reception is not worth anything to them. Teslas answer is to "use streaming" instead of the AM radio is probably the most sensible for most people.

    This problem is similar to acoustic noise in airplanes. It is quite costly to reduce the cabin noise in airplanes, and it adds weight, which reduces efficiency and reduces performance. In small airplanes, helicopters, and military airplanes, everyone wears headphones (or ear plugs). In commercial airplanes, the airplane itself is designed to reduce the cabin noise. However, it is very expensive to solve noise the problem at the source end. Much cheaper and lighter to solve the problem at the relieving end.

    Do you _need_ an AM radio in your car? Probably not. You don't get to your destination any quicker.

Bill D.




On 11/10/2018 1:03 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Hmm, maybe cost savings of putting a grounded shield around the motor and controller. For the AM radio, what could the cost be? $1.00?

Peri


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