Hi Colin,
The other thing to consider is service. In my experience with my Mitsubishi the
local dealer knows nothing about electric vehicles. They don't want to diagnose
any problems with the vehicle. I had to tell them how to fix mine after a
battery replacement by quoting their own shop manual to them..... it's
disappointing..... I advise you go to the local dealer and feel them out as
well before purchase.
On Monday, February 17, 2020, 12:18:48 AM CST, Colin Timpson via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
Hi Paul
I think they are but I am waiting to see the Ford Mustang before committing to
a Tesla
Thanks
Colin
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Porsche Taycan 93kWh EV review on motorweek.org
If this is correct then it’s a good example of how Tesla is so far ahead. 93kwh
/ 200 miles = 465 Wh/m. My model S guts 350 Wh/m and the model 3 gets 250 Wh/m.
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> On Feb 15, 2020, at 11:37 PM, evln via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> % Below is the text from motorweek's review of the Taycan Turbo S EV
> and one ota TV listing for the SF-CA PBS station. Other PBS stations
> might also be broadcasting the show, explore
> https://www.google.com/search?q=motorweek+Episode+3924
>
>
> IMO, the review shows motorweek is including more EVs, but they are
> still not-EV-drivers ...
> Porsche is not the only automaker going 800V packs (see links below).
> Actually they 800V systems were touted at
> EVS.org/edta/electricdrive.org shows way back in the 2000's.
> But now that 300+mi range is where the range bar has been set, higher
> pack voltages allow for faster charging of high kWh packs.
>
> -MW wasted time talking about Mission E, and mpge values, when they
> should have otten dow to the nitty gritty of range between models. The
> cheaper 4s has the most range.
>
> -MW supported Porsche's use of Turbo naming as their norm, even though
> the EV has no turbo-mech, see
> https://www.google.com/search?q=taycan+turbo+musk
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-130k
> -Porsche-s-turbo-less-Taycan-Turbo-performance-EV-tp4692356.html
>
> -MW showed way too many shots of the EV's active rear spoiler when
> really it is useless as it only raises up 2 inches. The EV's price
> could have been lower just by making the rear design in the up
> position with out the silly motorized control. And an added amplified
> interor e-motor sound is also dumb.
>
> -MW didn't grasp the regen/freewheeling EVs use as they disparagingly
> said: 'off the throttle it still wants to surge on' = MW is still EV
> clueless. See below ... %
>
>
> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2020-porsche-taycan-turbo
> -s/
> Road Tests Episode 3924
>
> [images
> https://www.motorweek.org/images/made/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_t
> aycan_turbo_S_1_638_359_80.jpg
>
> https://www.motorweek.org/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_taycan_turbo_
> S_3.jpg
>
> https://www.motorweek.org/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_taycan_turbo_
> S_4.jpg
>
> https://www.motorweek.org/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_taycan_turbo_
> S_2.jpg
> ]
>
> Being the proud performance-oriented brand that they are, Porsche
> could only sit back and watch tesla parade around at ludicrous speed
> for so long. Time for them to enter the full-EV business in a big way,
> a way that only Porsche can. So let’s head out onto the track with the Taycan
> Turbo S.
>
> There are many thoughts that go through your head when you enter a
> race track property behind the wheel of a high performance car.
> Usually, “where am I going to plug this thing in?” is not one of them.
> But, here we are at Roebling Road Raceway near Savannah, Georgia with
> the all-electric 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S.
>
> Battery recharging aside, track time in the Taycan, quickly reveals a
> very familiar feel.
>
> But before we get too far, we need to better inform you of what
> exactly it is we’re driving here.
>
> The Porsche EV journey of course, started with the Mission E Concept
> of 2015. And over these last 5-years, Porsche has assembled the crème
> de la crème of electrified automotive performance sedans.
>
> Powertrain setup is not that unique from other EVs; two-motor
> arrangement, one up front, one in rear, providing all-wheel-drive with
> up to 670-horsepower in the Taycan Turbo. This Turbo S cranks things
> up to 750-horsepower, with 774 lb-ft. of available torque.
>
> That’s right, Turbo has become more of a model name in the Porsche
> world, not so much a descriptor of what’s under the hood; so using the
> name here is not that much of a stretch.
>
> There is some uniqueness with the Taycan; as it is the first EV to
> operate on an 800-volt system, which allows you to get to 80% charge
> in as little as
> 22 ½ minutes. And, there’s a 2-speed transmission on the rear axle;
> providing ultimate acceleration when launching, and higher efficiency
> when cruising.
>
> 93-kWh of battery capacity, delivers 192-miles of range; the standard
> Taycan Turbo just over 200.
>
> Slightly less if you’re doing ¼-mile runs like this. The Turbo S
> launches with a sheer brutality that makes the Nissan GT-R seem tame.
> Power delivery is just relentless. It feels like you’ve just left the
> line, when you glance down and your already approaching triple digits,
> after clearing 60 in 2.8-seconds.
>
> No gears to change, no tach to monitor, just hold on for dear life as
> you finish the ¼ in 10.9-seconds at 129 miles-per-hour. There is some
> sound enhancement in the cabin, but it’s not fake vroom, vroom engine
> noises you’re hearing; rather the actual sound of the electric motors
> amplified. We were divided on its merits; some thought it sounded
> cool, others said they would prefer silence. Regardless, metal pushing
> through wind is all bystanders can hear.
>
> Now, back to that familiar Porsche feel. Yes, amazingly, despite the
> length and weight of the Taycan, somehow the experience behind the
> wheel is not that different from a 911.
>
> Sure, you do feel the heft in turns, and sometimes when you let off
> the throttle it still wants to surge on; but the enormous and standard
> Ceramic Composite brakes behind the 21-inch wheels are phenomenal, and
> keep you from getting into any trouble.
>
> It will push a little in corners, as all of the grip keeps the rear
> planted at all times; but the sheer amount of torque you can apply
> coming out of turns is borderline mind-boggling.
>
> 4-wheel steering is available in the Turbo, standard here in the S,
> and it really helps on turn-ins. Overall feel through the wheel is not
> quite as sharp as a Panamara, but far from the “video-game” controller
> feel of most other pure EVs.
>
> Much like the driving experience, the exterior design is all pretty
> typical Porsche…but even more beautiful. Aero treatments include an
> active rear spoiler, rocker extensions, and rear diffuser. And, there
> are actually two charge ports, one on each side depending on what you’re
> plugging into.
> Finally, the standout 21-inch wheels on our test car were sporting
> Good Year Eagles.
>
> The interior is not as futuristic as you might expect; again, more of
> the accustomed Porsche vibe. The biggest evolution being the large
> curved-glass gauge panel.
>
> Government Fuel Economy MPGe Ratings are 67-City, 68-Highway, and
> 68-Combined. For a near perfect Energy Impact Score, using just
> 3/10ths of a barrel of oil per year, with no CO2 emissions.
>
> Taycan Turbo pricing starts at $154,860; this Turbo S, at $188,960.
> Such the price for high performance early adoption. Too much for you?
> Well, Porsche has just announced an entry-level Taycan 4S, to start at just
> $114,340.
>
> Taking just about everything they’ve learned over their 70-years as a
> brand, pushing it into the future with new technology, and cramming it
> all into one vehicle, is what the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S is all
> about. And this is just the start of Porsche E-Performance, as they’ve
> already confirmed a Cross Turismo, and hinted at much more to come
> down the road. The times they are indeed a-changin’, and never have
> they changed, or charged, faster than with the Taycan.
> [© motorweek.org]
>
>
> https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/taycan-models/taycan-4s/
> $104k taycan-4s r:201mi ts:155mph 0-60mph:3.8s
> https://www.google.com/search?q=taycan+4s+range
> ...
> (dated)
> https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/14/18140868/fastcharge-porsche-bmw-45
> 0kw-electric-vehicle-charging-station
> Porsche and BMW unveil EV charger that's 3 times faster than ...
> Dec 14, 2018 - A research group with members including Porsche and BMW
> has ... cars with both 400- and 800-volt battery systems, and it will
> automatically ...
> https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/c7duJxg0VTGbPigeEL1ZUlIHysQ=/0x0:4032x
> 2272/920x613/filters:focal(1694x814:2338x1458):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cd
> n.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62681587/4737065_fastcharge_prototype
> _for_a_charging_station_jettingen_scheppach_2018_porsche_ag.0.jpg
> ...
> https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/10/mercedes-presents-the-electric-lu
> xury-sedan-vision-eqs/ Mercedes presents the electric luxury sedan
> Vision EQS ...
> Sep 10, 2019 - With the Vision EQS Mercedes presented a concept of an
> electric ... kW – Mercedes seems to be switching to 800 volt
> technology with the next ...
> https://www.electrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/mercedes-benz-vis
> ion-eqs-concept-2019-03-min-888x444.png
>
>
> https://www.motorweek.org/about/upcoming_and_past_shows/episode-episod
> e-3924
> Episode 3924 Debut 2.14.2020
> Description
> Track Test: 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S ... (the rest about ice)
>
>
> -Watch-
> https://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/index.jsp?pgmid=2346
> Episode #3924H Duration: 26:46 SRND51 TVG
> R/T: '20 PORSCHE TAYCAN TURBO S R/T ...
> Upcoming Broadcasts:
> KQED Plus: Tue, Feb 18, 2020 -- 11:00am (*SF-CA ota PBS v-ch09.2
> rf-ch30)
> https://www.kqed.org/tv/schedules/weekly/kqedplus.jsp?ymd=2020-02-16
>
>
> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests
> 2021 Polestar 1 EV Episode 3919
> ...
> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/P10
> 2019 Audi e-tron Episode 3914
> ...
> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/P40
> EV Roundup Episode 3842
> ...
> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/P50https://www.motorweek.
> org/reviews/road_tests/P50
> 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus Episode 3837
> 2019 Kia Niro EV Episode 3835 ...
>
>
> + (dated)
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30531280/porsche-taycan-turbo-s-ran
> ge-epa/ Porsche Taycan EV's EPA Range Goes from Bad to Worse Jan 15,
> 2020 The more powerful Turbo S model is rated to provide even less
> range than the Turbo ... The EPA's range estimate for the Porsche
> Taycan Turbo S electric car is a low 192 miles ...
> https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2020-pors
> che-taycan-144-1569266421.jpg
>
>
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