Most here don’t make disclosures, but I will disclose that Plug Power is a client. I don’t speak for them, though, and my comments, as anyways, are my own opinion.
- Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 15, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com> wrote: > > Well, I didn’t saw that batteries were inefficient, but they can be. > > As far as hydrogen not being efficient or inefficient to produce from > electrolysis, again, not a point I made. But what do you consider efficient? > > Economical? Okay, it wasn’t clear you meant that. At a 3¢/kWh cost of solar, > Plug Power has said that they can produce hydrogen from electrolysis at a > cost that is competitive with that of hydrogen made from fossil. I think that > number is $1.50/kg. They are building plants right now. > > They also have said that within a few years they will be cost competitive > with diesel. > > The numbers here are irrelevant to the point, though, and I think take away > from it. In terms of being economical, it only has to be competitive with > whatever else is being used.(if a bear is chasing us both, I don’t need to be > faster than the bear, only faster than you). And the economics can be > inclusive of other things, too - storage, space, regulatory requirements, > etc.. so don’t get too caught up on specific numbers. And in a nascent > technology, those numbers change quickly! > > So, I gave you numbers, but did they really help? > > > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Aug 15, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >> I am very clear: it is not efficient nor economical to produce hydrogen >> from electrolysis and it is more efficient and economic to use and store >> electricity in batteries than to convert to hydrogen, compress and transport >> it, then convert it back to electricity using a fuel cell. >> >> Peri >> >> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com> >> To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" >> <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> Sent: 15-Aug-21 08:29:29 >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all >> >>> I made several points. You weren’t clear what you didn’t believe. >>> >>> Let me know and I’ll do my best to address it. >>> >>> - Mark >>> >>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mark, it's you who is attempting to make a point. I'm waiting for you to >>>> substantiate your point. If you can do that without numbers, that's fine. >>>> >>>> Peri >>>> >>>> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>>> Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com> >>>> Sent: 14-Aug-21 21:19:00 >>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] hydrogen isn't green, after all >>>> >>>>> I’m not sure what you want numbers on, but a point can certainly be made >>>>> without them, and frequently, numbers can get in the way. > > _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
