I'm always amazed at how often and vehemently people express their dislike or voice negative opinions about Tesla/Musk on this list, while very little is said about the other EV manufactures. But I guess that is just because Tesla has been the main reason why EV's are so popular and relevant to today's and tomorrow's economy and sustainability. Are they not aware of the popularity and sheer numbers of Tesla's when compared to Ford's or Renault's or BYD's or Rivian's, etc EV's that we all see on our daily trips. I know that here in Tucson I see at least one Tesla, sometimes 3, at every stop light.
Rush Dougherty TucsonEV -----Original Message----- From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Ron Solberg via EV Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 5:58 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Ron Solberg <vio...@alliancecom.net> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 46 Pure EVs for sale, Teslas competition. t seems that since 2017, Tesla has gone into reverse on their original master plan. So let China take the lead/heat for pushing out ICE cars. In five or ten years the ICE folks can adjust/catch up. No bailout needed. The pressure on Musk is reduced and Optimus can go to Mars and or drive Robotaxis, a win-win except for the carbon problem. Ron Solberg > On May 14, 2024, at 7:22 PM, EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > On 14 May 2024 at 10:35, Rush via EV wrote: > >> I think that anybody having any knowledge of how a business is >> conducted would say that 'yes, profit is a good thing'. > > Let's restore the context: > >> AND still make a hefty profit on each car > > As I understood it, and someone correct me if this is wrong, the > original Tesla "master plan" was to get to mass market EVs. They'd > start with building luxury EVs for rich people, and use the presumably > *hefty* profits from that venture to design and build EVs for the rest of us. > > That plan was written a long time ago - maybe 2008? Again, someone > please help me out here. > > The Model 3 was introduced 7 years ago, in 2017. That was real > progress toward affordable EVs, 9 years on from the master plan's > inception. Not bad. > > Is that master plan still their guide? If so, what progress have they > made on it since? > > Not the Model Y (2020). It's more expensive. > > I'm pretty sure it's not the Cybertruck (2023), either. > > It seems that since 2017, Tesla has gone into reverse on their > original master plan. > > Their recent investor call suggested pretty strongly that they're > going to start using their EV profits less to develop EVs, and more to > develop AI, autonomy software, and robotaxis. > > Their recent layoffs seem to confirm that direction. > > What do you think of this? > > Is it a good thing? > > Is it likely to be permanent, or is it just another Elon Musk > shot-from-the- hip that he'll change next month or next year? > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > If economists wished to study the horse, they wouldn't go and look at > horses. They'd sit in their studies and say to themselves, "What would > I do if I were a horse?" > > -- Ely > Devons > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
