Bruno Marchal skrev: > > > Le 28-nov.-07, à 09:56, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : > > You only need models of cellular automata. If you have a model > and rules for that model, then one event will follow after another > event, according to the rules. And after that event will follow > another more event, and so on unlimited. The events will follow > after eachother even if you will not have any implementation of > this model. Any physics is not needed. You don't need any > geometric properties. > > In this model you may have a person called Torgny writing a > message on a google group, and that event may be followed by a > person called Marc writing a reply to this message. And you don't > need any implementation of that model. > > > > OK. Do you agree now that the "real Torgny", by which I mean you from > your first person point of view, cannot known if it belongs to a state > generated by automata 345 or automata 6756, or automata 6756690003121, > or automata 65656700234676611084899 , and so one ... > Do you agree we have to take into account this first person > indeterminacy when making a first person prediction?
I agree that the "real Torgny" belongs to exactly one of those automata, but I don't know which one. So I can not tell what will happen to the "real Torgny" in the future. I can not do any prediction. If we call the automata that the "real Torgny" belongs to, for automata X, then I can look at automata X from the outside, and I will then see that all that the "real Torgny" will do in the future is completely determined. There is no indeterminacy in automata X. -- Torgny --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
