2009/8/27 Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>: > > > > On 27 Aug, 08:54, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: >> 2009/8/26 David Nyman <david.ny...@gmail.com>: > >> This is because if consciousness is a computational process then it is >> independant of the (physical or ... virtual) implementation. If I >> perfom the computation on an abacus or within my head or with stones >> on the ground... it is the same (from the computation pov). >> >> And that's my problem with physicalism. How can it account for the >> independance of implementation if computations are not real ? > > Physcialism doesn't say that computations aren't real. It says > real instances of computation are identical to physical processes.
If everything is reduced to physical interaction then computations aren't real. Also that doesn't answer how it account for the independance of implementation. As the computation is not primary, how 2 different physical process could generate the same computation without abstract computations being the only thing that link the two processes having existence. How can you make sense of church-turing thesis if only "realized computations" make sense ? Regards, Quentin > > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---