On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > You confuse naturalism (nature exists >
I hope we don't have to debate if nature exists or not. > and is fundamental/primitive) > Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to dislike naturalism so you think there is no such thing as a fundamental/primitive so it is always meaningful to ask "what is that made of?". You could be right, or maybe not, nobody knows > and rationalism (things works by and for a reason). > I don't demand that, things can be random. > if you are willing to believe that your consciousness would remain > unchanged for a digital functional substitution of your parts made at some > description level of your body, > I do think that is true. > then physics can no more be the fundamental science of reality > We already knew that because we can at least so far sill explain physics, thus obviously we haven't gotten to the fundamental level yet, assuming there is a fundamental level, and you could be right and there might not be one. > and the physical universe has to be explained in term of cohesive digital > machine dreams/computation. > If you want a explanation then you can't believe that's the fundamental level either and a way must be found to explain that ,and there is no end to the matter. > to believe that nature and matter is primitive gives a sort of > supernatural conception of matter, of the kind "don't ask for more > explanation". I am not satisfied by that type of quasi-magical explanation > If you're right then reality is like a enormous onion with a infinite number of layers and no first level, no fundamental level because you can always find a level even more fundamental. On the other hand the universe could be constructed in such a way that you will forever be unsatisfied and there is a first/fundamental level and when we reach it we come to the end of the philosophy game, and there is nothing more to be said. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
