Hi John Mikes I think Heidegger simply made up a new word for his purposes, where since da=there, and sein = being, then dasein is in Heideggers glossary "being there.
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/17/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-17, 16:10:53 Subject: Re: Dasein Bruno, I admire your perseverence and also of others keeping pace of Roger's incredible flood of posts. I confess to have fallen out if not by other reasons: lack of time to read (not to mention: comprehend) all that 'wisdom' he includes into this list over the past week or so. ? One remark - and I am not so sure about being right: "DASEIN" in my (almost mothertongue German)?ay not reflect the "DA" = there plus "SEIN" to be, rather (- and again I hide behind my second 'almost' of half century in the US:)? - - ?"THE EXISTENCE". ? I feel Heidegger (whom I did not study) does not imply a spacial, or locational momentum by using 'Dasein' for a simple 'Sein'. He might have in mind the difference between the ?xisting?s. the not existing. It also has a rythmical ease vs. a short 'sein' what the English put by the 'to' and the French in a longer 1.5-syllable(?) <e">tre. ? JohnM ? On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: On 15 Aug 2012, at 15:13, Roger wrote: Heidegger tried to express the point I tried to make below by using the word "dasein".? "Being there ". Not merely describing a topic or item, but seeing the world from its point of view. Being inside it. Being there. I agree. This is what I call the first person point of view, and if you read the UDA proof, you will see that it is a key notion.? Then in the technical part I explain that the first person view of a machine, is NOT a machine, and cannot even been describe in term of machine, or in any third person objective term. ? ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? ? Hi Bruno Marchal ? This is hard to put into words. No offense, and I may be wrong, but you seem to speak of the world and mind as objects.? But like a coin, I believe they have a flip side, the world and mind as we live them, not as objects but as subjects. Entirely different worlds. The person are subject. OK. The mind or spirit are too general term, with objective and subjective property.? ? It is as if you talk about swimming in the water without actually diving in.? ? Or treating a meal as that which is on the menu, but?ot actually eating it. But you are doing that very mistake with machine. You reduce them to their appearance instead of listening to what they say, and more importantly to what they stay mute about. More on this later, but please read the papers as it shows that we are deadly wrong in theology since more than 1500 years, with or without comp. And with comp, the physical reality is a non computational appearance obeying very precise law that we can test. So my main point is that comp is a testable theory. Bruno ? ? Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/15/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." ? http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
