On 17 Aug 2012, at 20:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/17/2012 10:30 AM, Roger wrote:
Hi meekerdb
In my view (perhaps not yours) things are as they are and move as
they
do for a reason, called "sufficient reason".
Science is the pursuit of sufficient reasons.
I doubt that. I think science is about finding good explanations,
and "good" means having scope, consilience, and predictive power -
not necessarily deterministic.
I agree with this. Science, or fundamental science is just trying to
figure out a coherent global picture of reality, enough clear so as to
be able to be tested.
Determinism is the belief that sufficient reasons exist.
Then it is a false belief since it has been found that some events
are random.
I doubt this, and I doubt we could ever be sure to have found
something random. But we can deduce the existence of some form of
randomness from a theory, like both comp and QM-Everett, predicts a
first person (subjective) indeterminacy. But it is due to self-
multiplication, and is only "real" at the epistemological level. Both
in comp and in QM the big picture is static and deterministic.
Bruno
And God (or some other creator) is the sufficient reason for why
there is a universe and not nothing.
Then what's the sufficient reason for God? You slip in extra
baggage by adding "creator". Either "God" is just a placeholder for
what we don't know yet (God of the gaps) or we can terminate the
inference chain without it.
Brent
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