On 17 Aug 2012, at 22:40, Roger wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I apologize for my abruptness. Agreed, mathematics can have God-like
powers.
Nice.
By blueprint I meant mental pre-conception of a world. Thus there
had to be intelligence
before the Big Bang to create the world as such. This presumably
would include
the pre-established harmony.
That is not satisfying unless you explain where God comes from, how he
or she or It made the blueprint, etc.
But if you are open that God might be "arithmetical truth" (in a sort
of meta-way, as with comp) then, I can give sense to your pre-
established harmony. We can also explain there why God cannot not
create evil, by the same token.
Bruno
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/17/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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On 16 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Roger wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
That's Cosmic Clockmaker argument.
I don't think so. If I am machine, neither God, nor physical
reality, nor consciousness, nor any Protagorean virtue, can be
emulated genuinely on a computer. Computer lived in the arithmetical
reality, which is *far* bigger than what can be Turing emulated.
Computers can only scratch the surface of reality, but can have also
big insight and can propose big theories, and then they can confront
it to the observable facts.
God created the
universe and let it just run by istself with no intervention.
With comp it is arguable that God intervene all the time, and you
can even awaken it in yourself. God has three facets: the outer god
(Plotinus ONE) which is not definable by the machine. Arithmetical
truth can play that role, for technical reasons which I sketch in
the Plotinus paper. The Middle God, which is Plato No鵶, or
intelligible (by God) realm. This can be shown to be already far
bigger than God. Indeed, even with God as an oracle, the No鵶
remains undecidable. Then the inner God, or Universal Soul. This one
is personnally accessible, through mystical experience or just
meditating on who you are, or by using diverse technic (usually
painful).
But where or how did God come up with a blueprint ?
Explain what you mean, please. I don't understand the question.
Bruno
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/16/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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Subject: Re: Leibniz on the unconscious
On 14 Aug 2012, at 20:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/14/2012 10:42 AM, Roger wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
And I'd say why can't everything just function by itself? If
"God" is just a placeholder word for "whatever it is that makes
things work" it doesn't add much.
No, but it is shorter.
Bruno
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