2012/8/29 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > > On 29 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > I am of the opinion that recreational drugs should be the preserve of the > retired folk. > In fact in the USA with so many companies and the govt/military doing > random testing > you may as well wait until retirement. > > > I don't believe in drugs. > > A "drug" is just a product made illegal so that we can sell it 100 times > its price, without quality controls, and by targetting mainly the kids, > everywhere. > > There are no drug problem, only a prohibition problem. > > Drug addiction is nowadays easy to cure, with plant like salvia, or iboga, > or even cannabis, which typically are not drugs, even if cannabis can lead > some people to some habituation (but still not as grave as TV habituation). >
No, canabis can lead to real problematic addiction, grave depression, and *is not* a drug to take lightly. You should not go the other way around as the lies you are fighting and thus lie yourself. I've smoked cannabis for 15 years I know what I'm talking about and what problem it can cause. I'm not smoking anymore and hope I never will. I'm against prohibition, I'm for prevention and good usage. But you must know that "good" usage is not for everyone and a lot of persons will abuse it and abuse is problematic, occulting that is a lie. > > The case of cannabis is different for cannabis is just hemp, the plant > that we have cultivated the most on this planet, and it has been made > illegal just because it was a natural competitor to oil and forest. There > is a big amount of literature on this, and the fact that cannabis is still > illegal is a frightening witnessing that most governement are hostage of > criminals. > > We know since 1974 that cannabis cures cancer, (american discovery hidden > by Bush senior) but it is only since this has been rediscovered in Spain, > that some media talk about it, but it does not yet make the headline. > Well do you have reference of that ? And since cannabis as I was using it consisted of smocking it, let me have a lot of doubts about that. Regards, Quentin > How many people died of cancer since? I can give you tuns of references > and links on this, but the same lies continue. > > The two most dangerous recreative "drug" are alcohol and tobacco. The > bandits have tried to prohibit alcohol, but prohibition multiply a lot the > dangerousness of the product, so they have to stop it. So now they make > illegal innocuous product like cannabis, so this can last. The illegality > of cannabis is a coup de genie. It deserves the Nobel prize in Crime. > > And prohibition leads to new drugs which copy the one forbidden, like > "wood-alcohol, or brew" when alcohol was prohibited. In Russia they have > made a severe campaign against heroin, and the result is the apparition of > krokodil, a very nasty, highly addictive substance, which make you die in > terrible pain. > In my country, to prevent the spreading of AIDS, they have unofficially > legalize heroin: the result has been a drastic diminution of heroin > consumption. > > Prohibition is the problem, not "drugs". Black money is the problem, and > worse, grey money, the investment of balck money in mundane finance, which > is making the whole middle class, and the banks, into the hostage of the > drugs mafia. Prohibition transforms the planet into a big Chicago. > > And I was used to separate the "war on drugs" from the "war on terror", > but since Obama signed the NDAA bill, I am changing my mind on this. I > begin to think that the war on terror is as fake as the war on drugs. Pure > fear selling business. > > But thanks for the retired folk, Richard. > Now, I can hardly imagine that a bar will ask your identity cart for a > beer, and refuses because you are 74 years old: "sorry, but you are to much > young, wait for "growing up"" a little bit :) > > Bruno > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> Even Binet, who invented the IQ-tests, insisted that it can be used only >> to separate debility and sanity, not to measure small differences. The >> paper is mute on the most difficult part to assess, like such a difference. >> I am not sure such comparision must be itself compared with other "drug", >> like making similar tests, assuminf they makes sense, which I doubt. How >> evolve the IQ of people looking everyday at TV, and "sober" people, or >> alcoholic? >> To be sure I have not yet found the most typical error in statistics in >> that field, so that paper might be less wrong than usual, but still not >> very convincing, especially in the conclusion. The policy does not make >> sense, especially that we are systematically dis-informed about the real >> outcomes of basically all medication/drugs, and this will last as long as >> people will accept the nonsensical prohibition (of food and drug) laws, >> something known to be anticonstitutional in the US since the start. So my >> first feeling on that paper: crap. >> >> Bruno >> >> On 28 Aug 2012, at 15:09, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> Finally we have the whole story and truth: >> >> Direct link to PDF in question: >> >> >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDMQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Finfam.antville.org%2Ffiles%2Fpnas%2F&ei=A7o8UNPENsil0AWCh4CAAg&usg=AFQjCNEnTJj8p7H1m6w40c3PXKIOgjQgQA >> >> Link to abstract: >> >> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract >> >> Thank God Lewis Carroll, Victor Hugo and Alexander Dumas; such jazz >> greats as Louis Armstrong, Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington and Gene Krupa; and >> the pattern continues right up to modern-day artists and musicians such as >> the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Eagles, the Doobie Brothers, Bob >> Marley, Jefferson Airplane, Willie Nelson, Buddy RIch, Country Joe & the >> Fish, Joe Walsh, David Carradine, David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Lola Falana, >> Hunter S. Thompson, Peter Tosh, the Grateful Dead, Cypress Hill, Sinead >> O'Connor, Black Crowes, etc. >> >> Of course, smoking marijuana only enhances creativity for some and not >> for others. But so glad to have proof, that they all had to pay for their >> sins in terms of neuropsychological decline. >> >> It makes you dumb. Science has spoken. Dumb, lazy pot smokers >> under-performing in IQ-Tests. 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