2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > > On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > >> >> On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days. >> >> Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer: >> >> Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto-phage >> (eating themselves): >> >> http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948 (original spain paper) >> >> And we know that since 1974. When I read that in Jack Herer book, I >> did'nt belive it, until the spanish rediscovered this: >> >> http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html >> >> http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm >> >> http://www.gsalternative.com/2010/05/cannabinoids-kill-cancer/ >> >> >> >> I see I was too quick in my skepticism about cannabis affecting cancer. >> >> >> Quentin, did you mix cannabis with tobacco? With alcohol. Those >> combination are known to be addictive, but there is no statistical >> evidences for cannabis alone. I agree with you Quentin, it uses can be >> dangerous, but the use of windows too. >> >> Brent, there are no evidences that cannabis is a problem for lungs. The >> one found have been debunked: >> >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html >> >> >> I never supposed it did. I just supposed that drawing smoke in your >> lungs probably isn't good for them. >> >> >> Actually we have good reason to suspect the presence of strong oncogen >> (inducing cancer) molecules in the cannabis tar. The cannabis tar is indeed >> quite dangerous in that respect when studied ... in vitro. But then when >> statistics are done on large human pot smokers population, not only cancers >> don't show up, but a reduction of cancer is observed. The probable >> explanation is that some cannabinoids are more effective against cancer >> than the oncogen molecules. >> > > Well I still remain perplex, because the most common usage is joint with > mixing tobacco, what sort of cannabis smocker are taken in those studies ? > How does they choose/find them ? Are those studies representative of the > cannabis smockers ? > > > Those studies have compared also the difference between pure cannabis > smoker and those who mix it with pot. In the US there are a lot of people > who does not mix cannabis and tobacco. In Belgium also, and more and more > as people get aware that tobacco is a hard drug (toxic and addictive). I > have almost never mix them, and when I did, I have develop a strong > addiction to such a mix, and quickly come back to separate them. The > illegality of cannabis makes hard to explain to young people, who see their > parent smoking tobacco and terrorised by cannabis, that the real "drug" in > a joint is tobacco. I have try to prevent my nephews, but they laughed at > me. Now they are grown up, and understand. > > > > > Lot of people who smockes cannabis, smockes also cigarettes, does it > affect the result ? > > > Yes, but it is already quite different. They don't get addicted to MJ. > Only to tobacco. > > > > Prohibition is bad, not because "cannabis" could cure cancer, it's bad > because it destroy live for stupid reasons. > > > It is bad for many reasons. Jefferson said: > > "If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they > take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of > those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson > > And the founders of US were strongly opposed to prohibition, which they > made anticonstitutional: > > "Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to > control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things > that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very > principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln > > Prohibition might have been one of the reason why JFK has been murdered, > and it is a tool for getting power, makes huge benefices and control the > society by non democratic means. It is a criminal Trojan horse to control > the government. > > Anslinger, Nixon and Reagan, and then Bush, have all ordered studies on > cannabis and alcohol, and their own studies have revealed that cannabis was > nothing as dangerous compared to alcohol, but they have throw the studies > in the trash, and then ordered new pseudo-studies to more obedient (pseudo) > scientists. > > I agree with all of that... but as you cite tobacco as a hard drug, same thing, I'm against prohibition for alcohol and tobacco... the bad thing about prohibition is that it criminalize that behavior, it doesn't become good because it is a hard drug.
Regards, Quentin > Bruno > > > > > Quentin > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> By googling on cannabis cancer, you will more information. I count up >> to 173 cancers where cannabinoids can help to cure. Many youtbe video >> provides indivvidual witnessing also, notably on babies like this one: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcI5tWYr6do >> >> >> In this case it appears that the main effect of the cannabis was as >> anti-nausea, which of course helps to cure the cancer, while there were a >> half-dozen other drugs that might have killed the cancer cells. >> >> >> It is hard to derive a general proposition from one case. You might be >> right, but it seems that THC injection might just be more efficacious >> against cancer than chemo and radio therapies. >> >> Some plant like cannabis and salvia seems to have strong beneficial >> influence of the immune system, but of course we have still a lot to learn. >> From 1800 to 1900, it seems that most medication was based on hemp, and >> that might be true since a much longer time. >> >> The illegality of cannabis is a recent phenomenon, entirely based on >> lies. It is not more dangerous than beer, and actually much less dangerous. >> People habituated to cannabis does not get problem with liver, blood, >> brain, etc. It is, as an inebriant, *much safer than alcohol. >> >> Anyway, drugs problem is a problem of health, not of criminality. >> Addiction is easy to cure, when you don't make the cure illegal, like in >> the US and Belgium, where Tabernanthe iboga is illegal, despite one session >> with it cures addiction. Prohibition leads to corruption and black money >> addiction. It is a killer of democracy. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 8/29/2012 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> We know since 1974 that cannabis cures cancer, (american discovery >> hidden by Bush senior) but it is only since this has been rediscovered in >> Spain, that some media talk about it, but it does not yet make the headline. >> How many people died of cancer since? I can give you tuns of references >> and links on this, but the same lies continue. >> >> >> The media talk about anything. You're going off the rails there, Bruno. >> There's no way cannabis cures cancer. 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