On 31 Aug 2012, at 12:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those
days.
Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer:
Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto-
phage (eating themselves):
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948 (original spain paper)
And we know that since 1974. When I read that in Jack Herer book,
I did'nt belive it, until the spanish rediscovered this:
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html
http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm
http://www.gsalternative.com/2010/05/cannabinoids-kill-cancer/
I see I was too quick in my skepticism about cannabis affecting
cancer.
Quentin, did you mix cannabis with tobacco? With alcohol. Those
combination are known to be addictive, but there is no
statistical evidences for cannabis alone. I agree with you
Quentin, it uses can be dangerous, but the use of windows too.
Brent, there are no evidences that cannabis is a problem for
lungs. The one found have been debunked:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
I never supposed it did. I just supposed that drawing smoke in
your lungs probably isn't good for them.
Actually we have good reason to suspect the presence of strong
oncogen (inducing cancer) molecules in the cannabis tar. The
cannabis tar is indeed quite dangerous in that respect when
studied ... in vitro. But then when statistics are done on large
human pot smokers population, not only cancers don't show up, but a
reduction of cancer is observed. The probable explanation is that
some cannabinoids are more effective against cancer than the
oncogen molecules.
Well I still remain perplex, because the most common usage is joint
with mixing tobacco, what sort of cannabis smocker are taken in
those studies ? How does they choose/find them ? Are those studies
representative of the cannabis smockers ?
Those studies have compared also the difference between pure
cannabis smoker and those who mix it with pot. In the US there are a
lot of people who does not mix cannabis and tobacco. In Belgium
also, and more and more as people get aware that tobacco is a hard
drug (toxic and addictive). I have almost never mix them, and when I
did, I have develop a strong addiction to such a mix, and quickly
come back to separate them. The illegality of cannabis makes hard to
explain to young people, who see their parent smoking tobacco and
terrorised by cannabis, that the real "drug" in a joint is tobacco.
I have try to prevent my nephews, but they laughed at me. Now they
are grown up, and understand.
Lot of people who smockes cannabis, smockes also cigarettes, does
it affect the result ?
Yes, but it is already quite different. They don't get addicted to
MJ. Only to tobacco.
Prohibition is bad, not because "cannabis" could cure cancer, it's
bad because it destroy live for stupid reasons.
It is bad for many reasons. Jefferson said:
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines
they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are
the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
And the founders of US were strongly opposed to prohibition, which
they made anticonstitutional:
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts
to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of
things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the
very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham
Lincoln
Prohibition might have been one of the reason why JFK has been
murdered, and it is a tool for getting power, makes huge benefices
and control the society by non democratic means. It is a criminal
Trojan horse to control the government.
Anslinger, Nixon and Reagan, and then Bush, have all ordered studies
on cannabis and alcohol, and their own studies have revealed that
cannabis was nothing as dangerous compared to alcohol, but they have
throw the studies in the trash, and then ordered new pseudo-studies
to more obedient (pseudo) scientists.
I agree with all of that... but as you cite tobacco as a hard drug,
same thing, I'm against prohibition for alcohol and tobacco... the
bad thing about prohibition is that it criminalize that behavior, it
doesn't become good because it is a hard drug.
I agree completely. It is just another problem with prohibition that
we are misinformed on the relative danger of different substances.
I guess you have seen that comic sketch by Coluche showing a
completely drunk father giving a lesson in moral to his smoking pot son.
As cannabis is not "really" dangerous, it is LESS dangerous to
prohibit it than prohibiting a dangerous drug, as prohibition will
make that dangerous drug more easily available to the kids, and sold
without any price nor quality control, and sometimes mixed with mother
dangerous product (but this is true also for legal products in some
countries).
And when I say that cannabis is not dangerous, I don't mean that it is
totally innocuous, as anything can be addictive and dangerous for
different people.
I think we mainly agree, best,
Bruno
By googling on cannabis cancer, you will more information. I
count up to 173 cancers where cannabinoids can help to cure. Many
youtbe video provides indivvidual witnessing also, notably
on babies like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcI5tWYr6do
In this case it appears that the main effect of the cannabis was
as anti-nausea, which of course helps to cure the cancer, while
there were a half-dozen other drugs that might have killed the
cancer cells.
It is hard to derive a general proposition from one case. You might
be right, but it seems that THC injection might just be more
efficacious against cancer than chemo and radio therapies.
Some plant like cannabis and salvia seems to have strong beneficial
influence of the immune system, but of course we have still a lot
to learn. From 1800 to 1900, it seems that most medication was
based on hemp, and that might be true since a much longer time.
The illegality of cannabis is a recent phenomenon, entirely based
on lies. It is not more dangerous than beer, and actually much less
dangerous. People habituated to cannabis does not get problem with
liver, blood, brain, etc. It is, as an inebriant, *much safer than
alcohol.
Anyway, drugs problem is a problem of health, not of criminality.
Addiction is easy to cure, when you don't make the cure illegal,
like in the US and Belgium, where Tabernanthe iboga is illegal,
despite one session with it cures addiction. Prohibition leads to
corruption and black money addiction. It is a killer of democracy.
Bruno
On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/29/2012 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We know since 1974 that cannabis cures cancer, (american
discovery hidden by Bush senior) but it is only since this has
been rediscovered in Spain, that some media talk about it, but
it does not yet make the headline.
How many people died of cancer since? I can give you tuns of
references and links on this, but the same lies continue.
The media talk about anything. You're going off the rails
there, Bruno. There's no way cannabis cures cancer. If
anything, smoking marijuana will cause lung cancer - though
maybe not so much as tobacco.
Brent
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