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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:43:38 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 8/29/2012 4:10 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com
<javascript:> > wrote:
> It's worth mentioning that Turing did not intend his test to imply that
machines could think, only that the closest we could come would be to
construct machines that would be good at playing The Imitation Game.
No you are entirely incorrect, that is not worth mentioning. There is no
difference between arithmetic and simulated arithmetic and no difference
between thinking and imitation thinking.
Incorrect about what? Are you saying that Turing asserted that machines
could think, or that if we could not tell the difference between a machine
and a living person that means there is no difference?
> I have used the example of a trashcan lid in a fast food place that says
THANK YOU.
And when a employee of a fast food restaurant says "THANK YOU" to the 47'th
customer for the 47'th time in the last hour he puts about as much thought
into the message as the trash can did.
Absolutely. The repetition makes it...automatic, and therefore disingenuous,
mechanical. Unconscious.
John K Clark
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Hi Craig,
John C. Has a very good point here. The difference is in the framing.
Nah, his point is a conflation of appearances and reality. Like this
sentence. It is not a thought. It is not speaking. I am using these empty
forms to communicate my thought, my speaking. He is saying that if my
computer posts these words without me typing them in then it must mean
something just because nobody can tell the difference. It's the same as
saying that a glass of water must be the same as a glass of distilled
vinegar because they look the same.
Yes, the conclusion is errant. However, whether they are or are not the
same requires further inquiry. Neither side has yet enough information by
which to decide with certainty.
wrb
Craig
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Onward!
Stephen
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html
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