Roger and Bruno:
No part of the DNA molecule controls life. DNA is simply a description, a representation of information, a piece of paper upon which letters are written. It is the letter order that controls life. Nothing more. wrb From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Clough Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:44 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence Hi Bruno Marchal Sorry for the continual objections, but I'm just trying to point out to you a hole in your thinking large enough to drive a bus through. However, you keep ignoring my objections, only intended to be constructive, which is rude. So.... What parts or part of a DNA molecule controls life ? The code is just a bunch of letters, same problem as with the computer. Letters can't think. A thinker is needed. To repeat, code by itself can't control anything. The code is no different than a map without a reader. Roger Clough, <mailto:rclo...@verizon.net> rclo...@verizon.net 8/31/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be> Receiver: everything-list <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> Time: 2012-08-31, 05:28:13 Subject: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence William, On 30 Aug 2012, at 22:27, William R. Buckley wrote: Bruno: I rather take issue with the notion that the living cell is not controlled by the genome. As biosemioticians (like Marcello Barbieri) teach us, there are a number of codes used in biological context, and each has a governing or controlling function within the corresponding context. The genome is clearly at the top of this hierarchy, with Natural Selection and mutational variation being higher-level controls on genome. Readability I think is well understood in terms of interactions between classes of molecules � ATP generation for one is rather well understood these days. Programmers (well experienced professionals) are especially sensitive to context issues. I agree with all this. I guess you know that. If you think I said anything incoherent with this, please quote me. Bruno wrb From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:12 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence On 29 Aug 2012, at 20:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:22:38 PM UTC-4, William R. Buckley wrote: Cells are indeed controlled by software (as represented in wetware form � i.e. DNA). It isn't really clear exactly what controls what in a living cell. I can say that cars are controlled by traffic signals, clocks, and calendars. To whatever we ascribe control, we only open up another level of unexplained control beneath it. What makes DNA readable to a ribosome? What makes anything readable to anything? Encoding and decoding, or application and abstraction, or addition and multiplication, ... Sense is irreducible. >From the first person perspective. Yes. For machine's too. No software can control anything, even itself, unless something has the power to make sense of it as software and the power to execute that sense within itself as causally efficacious motive. This seems to me like justifying the persistence of the physical laws by invoking God. It is too quick gap filling for me, and does not explain anything, as relying on fuzzy vague use of words. I might find sense there, but in the context of criticizing mechanism, I find that suspicious, to be frank. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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