Hi Craig Weinberg 

IMHO the burden to show that computers are alive and
have intelligence lies on the scientists.  

I see no evidence of life  or real  intelligence
in computers.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/5/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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From: Craig Weinberg 
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Time: 2012-09-04, 20:39:55
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer




On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:



    The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be continuously 
generating a virtual reality model of the world that includes our body and what 
we are conscious of is that model.

I like this description of a brain: that of a dreaming / reality creating 
machine.


What is it the brain creating this dream/reality out of? Non-reality? 
Intangible mathematical essences? The problem with representational qualia is 
that in order to represent something, there has to be something there to begin 
with to represent. Why would the brain need to represent the data that it 
already has to itself in some fictional layer of abstraction? Why convert the 
quantitative data of the universe into made up qualities and then hide that 
conversion process from itself?
 


Does a "machine" made up of gears, springs and levers do this? Could one made 
of diodes and transistors do it? Maybe...

No one has shown me a cogent argument that they could not.


They question isn't why they could, it is why they would. What possible 
function would be served by a cuckoo clock having an experience of being a 
flying turnip?

Craig
 


Jason

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