On 9/6/2012 7:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:37:38 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 9/5/2012 11:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
No, the stuff in our skulls is alive, has intelligence, and
a 1p.
Computers don't and can't. Big sdifference.
Hi Roger,
锟斤拷� Please leave magic out of this, as "any sufficiently
advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws>". The
trouble is that the stuff in our skulls does not appear to be
that much different from a bunch of diodes and transistors.
锟斤拷� Our brains obey the very same physical laws! What
makes the brain special? I suspect that the brain uses
quantum entanglement effects to both synchronize and update
sense content in ways that cannot obtain from purely
classical physical methods. Our mechanical machines lack the
ability to report on their 1p content thus we are using their
disability to argue against their possible abilities. A
computer that could both generate an internal self-model and
report on it would lead us to very different conclusions!
I think you are both right. Computers qua computers don't feel
anything because they aren't anything. The physical material that
you are using to execute computations on does however have
experiences - just not experiences that we associated with our
own. There is a concrete experience associated with the
production of these pixels on your screen - many experiences on
many levels, of molecules that make up the wires etc., but those
experiences don't seem to lead to anything we would consider
significant. It's pretty straightforward to me. A stuffed animal
that looks like a bear is not a bear. A picture of a person is
not a person, even if it is a fancy interactive picture.
Craig
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Hi Craig,
I think that the difference that makes a difference here is
the identity that emerges between matching of the experience *of*
object and experience *by* object. Ranulph Glanville has, with
others in the Cybernetics community, written masterfully on this
in his "Same is Different" paper.
Hi Stephen,
How does the of/by distinction compare with map-territory and
use-mention distinctions?
Craig
Hi Craig,
Consider the difference/similarity of "self-observation" and
"other-observation". I will try to post more on this soon.
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Onward!
Stephen
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html
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