On 9/13/2012 12:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:55, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi benjayk,
This is exactly what I have been complaining to Bruno about. He
does not see several things that are problematic.
1) Godel numberings are not unique. Thus there is no a single abslute
structure of relations, there is an infinity that cannot be reduced.
On the contrary, I insist on this. That's part of the domain of the
1-indeterminacy, all working coding will do their work, if I dare to
say. We already know this, and is part of the problem that we try to
just formulate clearly.
Dear Bruno,
Oh, right, I missed that implication, but do you see my point as
well? The diagonalization applies to everything, even your result. The
point that I am trying to emphasize is that we can never "be at" the
ultimate level, we can at best point at it and approximate/represent it.
Any approximation will have dual aspects, one partly logical and
abstract and the other concrete an physical. The reasoning for this is
that meaningfulness is 3p, it is never just 1p (if we assumed that it
was 1-p we would get a degeneracy condition and only have a "bet of its
truth" and nowhere to cash in if it where true by many other 1-p's).
The concept that some people have used for this is the notion of a
"witness" in the sense that it is not sufficient for me to know that X
is true, X must be true to at least two witnesses that are not under my
control. This explanation is very crude still, my apologies.
2) the physical implementations of the representations cannot be
abstracted away without making the entire result meaningless.
This is correct for human perception, but with comp the physical
implementations that you need at that level are explained by a non
physical (and somehow deeper) phenomenon.
Yes, but I am not considering human perception; I am assuming
panprotopsychism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism#Dualism>:
"everything" is aware and has a 1-p, my conjecture is that the UD
"rides" on the unitary evolution of the QM system and thus each and
every QM ssytem is an observer and has some level of awareness. It is
for this reason that I am motivated to assume that the universe is
quantum and that the classical picture is just an image that the
universe generates via our interactions with each other.
Bruno
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Onward!
Stephen
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html
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