On 10/11/2012 10:14 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net <mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>>
wrote:
> Free Will-- You need enough freedom
My difficulty with the "free will" noise is not the "will" part, you want to do some
things and don't want to do others and that's clear, my difficulty is with the "free"
part; and all you're saying is that free will is a will that is free so that does not
help me.
> to make a choice of your own.
A choice made for a reason or a choice made for no reason; it's deterministic or it's
random.
> Strictly speaking, I prefer the term "self-determination" meaning by
anything
inside your skin.
And that thing inside your skin that made you choose X rather than Y came to be there
for a reason (memory, your DNA, environmental factors, etc) or it came to be inside
your skin for no reason at all in which case it was random. I still have absolutely no
idea what the "free will" noise is supposed to mean and a very much doubt that you or
anybody else does either;
It's a simple enough concept that it is used in law courts (a venue not noted for
metaphysical sophistication). "Free" is the contrary of "coerced".
Brent
and yet despite not having the slightest idea of what it means they will continue to
passionately believe it. Weird. I neither believe nor disbelieve in "free will".
John K Clark
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