Hi Bruno Marchal I feel exactly as you do. I would never have Nietzsche's books burned, there is much of value in them. Or at least some value. His criticism of reason's being used by Christianity, for example, parallels to an appreciable extent Luther's criticism of the Catholic church, three centuries previously, which held reason and action over faith (Luther held faith over everything). That was the breaking point for the Reformation.
Luther in fact said that "Reason is the Devil's whore." He later softened that view but just a little. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 05:39:11 Subject: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ? On 06 Nov 2012, at 17:45, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Hi Roger, If you want to read him that trivially, go ahead. The constant, eternal revaluation of all values. This is just implied by asking "what's going on?". And yes, this is gently consistent with never ending platonic questioning + a popper style negation, even humor, on his own statements, that they are wrong, that they not be overly concretized. Nietzsche never "taught his own ideas", although he was active academically very early. If you'd open a single page, you'd see how conflicted he was about the transmission of fruits of introspection. But I wouldn't want to offend you with any of that, or that I think he anticipated the computer + its consequences more than once, as you already have made up your mind in a rather discriminatory fashion without reading the man/machine in his native language, so... I am not merely a platonist: also guitar cowboy and dance and jam in every realm I can and keep my platonism in check with my sense of groove and swing + good steak, now and then. I have a taste for the Dionysian joys, for colors, and richness, variety as much as I love Platonia. But Platonia, in this abstract technical sense you imply, is pretty joyless and dull. Nietzsche is good antidote for that. On Kant he mused once: "What kind of a soul must build such an unassailable fortress of thought? What is it distracting itself from, building these labyrinths of descriptive power for a group of disciples it will never admit to itself, that it vainly wants to have? For why else build such fortresses?" For these reason I'd suggest for you to not read him, especially not in German. Right on with "garbage he taught", would be the first thing he'd admit and laugh. It does look we agree that Nietzsche was a poet with a deep talent. I read "Also Sprach Zarathustra", in german and in french, and I love it, but, later, rereading it, I got a feeling of uneasiness. I got it also with many people idolatring Nietzche, or taking granted what he said, I dunno. It might be, correct me if I am wrong, a sort of remanent atheism in the work, or perhaps it is, like with art, just a question of taste. May be I have unconsciously rely his "uber mensh" with what happened in WW II. I certainly do appreciare Richard Strauss "Also Sprach Zarathustra", but that's thanks to "2001 Space Odyssey", plausibly! Bruno PGC On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy So what ? I have no stomach for the revaluation of all values and the other garbage Nietzsche taught. If you are truly a platonist, you would agree with me. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/6/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 10:35:15 Subject: Re: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ? Hi Roger, So what? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy By poet, I suspect that Bruno was attesting to Nietzsche's ability to think in terms of metaphors (such as Apollo and Dionysius in his "Genealogy of Morals." ) Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/6/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 07:48:01 Subject: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Bruno Marchal ?rote: On 05 Nov 2012, at 13:43, Roger Clough wrote: Shades of Nietzsche ! Tell me it isn't so ! No, it is not so. No worry to have. I am glad we share some uneasiness with Nietzche. I take it for a great poet, but a bad philosopher. ? Then your German is better than mine, as a native speaker. Having enough distance and humor for one's own statements doesn't come through much in the translations. I don't think he ever took himself "seriously" as a philosopher, and he often pokes subtly fun at the notion. Ok, I'll get back to the herd then :) Cowboy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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