Hi Roger Clough, As you have been told, quantum gravity is contained within each string theory monad. No one knows where that came from, certainly not any god that humans are connected to. Richard
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Stephen Hawking, > > So quantum gravity was designed and created by > mindless, random, brute forces ? Or came out > of nothing at all, not even intelligence, not even > an idea or form ? Not even the tooth fairy ? > > This nonsense you apparently believe shows > that materialistic thinking can cause brain damage. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 11/15/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Bruno Marchal > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-11-12, 10:56:40 > Subject: Re: the "God" hypothesis > > On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:55, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Hi Roger Clough, >> >> Actually the action of mathematical physics gives "everything" the >> reason to live. >> As Hawking says, there is "no need for god if you got quantum >> gravity". >> >> I confess to giving cosmic consciousness a reason to live. >> http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf >> >> Hopefully, a benevolent, understanding, tolerant and forgiving >> consciousness, >> that somehow chooses the best universe from an infinitude of mental >> possibilities, >> according to Leibniz... >> >> But physical Nature can be stern and unforgiving. >> Life as we know it will eventually disappear from earth, >> for cosmic reasons later, if not human reasons sooner.. > > Yes, life as we know it, but not necessarily life as we don't know it. > > Bruno > > > >> >> Richard Ruquist >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> >> wrote: >>> Hi Stephen P. King >>> >>> Leibniz thought that everything needs a sufficient reason to >>> exist as it does. Thus all of the parts of the universe have >>> a sufficient reason to be (as they are). I don't know how to >>> explain that by anything other than the the "God" hypothesis. >>> >>> >>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>> 11/12/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Stephen P. King >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-11-10, 12:28:31 >>> Subject: Re: Communicability >>> >>> >>> On 11/10/2012 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> Hi Stephen P. King >>>> >>>> There's no mystery. That's presumably how a machine packed >>>> them during manufacture. >>> >>> Hi Roger, >>> >>> The order of the crackers has a cause, some physical process lead >>> to the order. When we are considering ontological models and theories >>> and using ideas that depend on epistemological knowledge, it is >>> easy to >>> fall into regress. I have found that regress can be controlled and >>> there >>> is even a nice mathematical theory that uses regressive sets - sets >>> that >>> have no least member and sets that have themselves as a member, but >>> any >>> time that we claim a 'cut off' there has to be sufficient reasons >>> for it. >>> >>>> >>>> er Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>>> 11/10/2012 >>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> From: Stephen P. King >>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>> Time: 2012-11-09, 13:32:23 >>>> Subject: Re: Communicability >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/9/2012 11:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>>> Hi Stephen P. King >>>>> >>>>> Get a box of crackers with the crackers all lined perfectly up >>>>> inside. >>>> No explanation at all is given as to how the cracker got to be >>>> "perfectly lined up". ... Right. >>>> >>>>> That's Platonia. >>>>> >>>>> Now invert the box and let the crackers fall, scattering on the >>>>> floor and some even breaking. That's our contingent world. >>>>> >>>>> Nobody knows why, but that's the way time works. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Onward! >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Onward! >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything- >>> l...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything- >>> l...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >> . >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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