Hi spudboy100 While Hitler was the far Right, and Stalin of the far Left, they were silmilar in that both creating dominating Big Government types.
Similar in that respect to today's liberals. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: spudboy100 Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-07, 12:47:13 Subject: Re: Liberal Fascism Because of the dominance of Leftists, people forget, sometimes deliberately, about the murderousness, of Stalin and Mao. My peeps were burned up by ugly, Adolf, but it doesn't excuse people from overlooking other mass killing systems. A great historical compilation of Hitler and Stalin's killing machines, is The Bloodlands: Between Hitler and Stalin. If we want to play historical mind-games, I wonder what the world would have been like if Mussolini had stayed away from his Axis buddy, and plotted his own foreign policy, with an alliance with Britain? Would that even have been possible? Would it have made any difference in world history? Just a thought. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Clough To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:59 am Subject: Liberal Fascism See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism Not everybody agrees, but... "Liberal Fascism In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He claims that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2] Goldberg writes that there was more to fascism than bigotry and genocide, and argues that those characteristics were not so much a feature of Italian fascism, but rather of German Nazism, which was allegedly forced upon the Italian fascists "after the Nazis had invaded northern Italy and created a puppet government in Sal?."[3] He argues that over time, the term fascism has lost its original meaning and has descended to the level of being "a modern word for 'heretic,' branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the body politic", noting that in 1946, the socialist and anti-fascist writer George Orwell described the word as no longer having any meaning except to signify "something not desirable".[4][4][5]" [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 20:51:07 Subject: Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrakecredible? Ipersonally think so. On 1/6/2013 3:19 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. Hi, But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property privately but the use of said property is dictated by the State. Most countries are fascistic. Only because you've taken a single attribute of Fascism and taken it to be a definition. Fascism is the idea that a nation is a kind of super-being in which labor, industry, and government are *bound together into one* (hence the name) and the life of citizens takes meaning from how they serve their function as an element of The State. This was further taken to imply that superior, i.e. Fascist, nations should bring this superior culture to other inferior, i.e. non-Fascist, nations by armed conquest. Brent "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." --- Benito Mussolini. -- Thank you, Brent, for this. ;-) I was trying to highlight the behavior of fascism in ways that do not invoke extraneous discussion. All that you added, while true, is irrelevant to my definition as it is representative of just one form of fascism, that of Mussolini's Italy. That's like saying Hitler's Germany was just one form of Nazism, or China 1945 to 1976 was just one form of Maoism. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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