On 1/7/2013 5:09 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:56 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net
<mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:
On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
The word "must" implies forcible persuasion.
Hi,
But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism.
Fascism
is a governing system where the population can own property privately
but the
use of said property is dictated by the State. Most countries are
fascistic.
Only because you've taken a single attribute of Fascism and taken it to
be a
definition. Fascism is the idea that a nation is a kind of super-being
in
which labor, industry, and government are *bound together into one*
(hence the
name) and the life of citizens takes meaning from how they serve their
function as an element of The State. This was further taken to imply
that
superior, i.e. Fascist, nations should bring this superior culture to
other
inferior, i.e. non-Fascist, nations by armed conquest.
Brent
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
merger of state and corporate power."
--- Benito Mussolini.
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Thank you, Brent, for this. ;-) I was trying to highlight the
behavior of
fascism in ways that do not invoke extraneous discussion. All that you
added,
while true, is irrelevant to my definition as it is representative of
just one
form of fascism, that of Mussolini's Italy.
Negative, from German perspective: Nazi as adherent to NSDAP (German:
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so "national socialist
german
worker's party" wrote in their constitution that "corporations potentially
pose a
threat to the state and have to thus be merged with state force to
facilitate
common good". This was done not only to build and develop weapons, but to
build the
A1 freeway, on which yours truly traveled south today.
Don't know how Japan handled it, but imagine that it would've run along
similar
lines. High efficiency, high productivity, lowers unemployment,
automatically
restrains budding monopolies... all the kind of things the west proclaims
to want
today; even though history should at some point teach us what this means,
we don't
seem to get it or don't want to.
Nazism was not Fascism. It borrowed from Fascism but it added mystic
racism, Hitler
cult, and genocide.
Brent
Didn't imply that.
Much less I'd say... if someone's wearing a Mussolini corporate state control merger
fascism-pin, as implied by your quote of Mussolini, then it doesn't matter to me which
other pins, mystical or belief (what was that difference again?) based, that person wears:
It would make a difference to me. A fascist just has a bad idea about the relation of the
state, the corporation and the individual. A nazi is a racist who believes that there is
a superior Aryan race which should rule over all other people and that there are inferior
races that should be exterminated.
they are fascist in that precise sense. They might be Japanese, play scrabble, and be
slightly overweight too, which is absolutely, definitely healthy ;)
An adherent to Nazism is a fascist via the corporate-state-merger-idea and reasoning,
although the reverse is not necessary. Nazism did not merely "borrow" this: the whole
economic upswing in the early Nazi years can be traced to the merger idea, and Germany
took this as far as it could. If corporations didn't play ball: leave or die.
They were facist or corporatist in this precise sense, and the cult/mysticism
(difference to belief, I ask again? Isn't any belief system viewed externally just
'mysticism' in pejorative sense?) didn't change this: it enforced it.
No, the arguments made for fascism and communism were mostly rational. The argument for
the superiority of an Aryan race and the significance of "Blud und Volk" was purely an
emotional appeal to the German ego (corruption as Alberto would say).
Brent
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