Hi Telmo Menezes  

I think that according to the definition below, authority implies
a power greater than you are. Pride tells you that you are the greater power.
Thus ignorant and uncaring pride seems to be the source of all  injustice.  

authority  
n pl -ties 
1. the power or right to control, judge, or prohibit the actions of others 
2. (often plural) a person or group of people having this power, such as a 
government, police force, etc. 
3. a position that commands such a power or right (often in the phrase in 
authority) 
4. such a power or right delegated, esp from one person to another; 
authorization she has his authority 
5. the ability to influence or control others a man of authority 
6. an expert or an authoritative written work in a particular field he is an 
authority on Ming china 
7. evidence or testimony we have it on his authority that she is dead 
8. confidence resulting from great expertise the violinist lacked authority in 
his cadenza 
9. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (capital when part of a name) a public 
board or corporation exercising governmental 
    authority in administering some enterprise Independent Broadcasting 
Authority 
10. (Law) Law 
a.  a judicial decision, statute, or rule of law that establishes a principle; 
precedent 
b.  legal permission granted to a person to perform a specified act 
[from French autority, from Latin auctoritas, from auctor author] 


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 
1/16/2013  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen 
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On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Roger Clough  wrote: 

Hi Alberto G. Corona 

These days, anything that smacks of authority is trashed. 



Possibly because of information spreading on the Internet. (Most) authority 
thrives on the ignorance of its victims. It's becoming common place for 
dictatorships to restrict Internet access when they feel threatened. 
? 


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1/16/2013 
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Yep. 
May be because as I say from time to time, we can not live without dogmas or 
else there would be no human collaboration, so no human society could exist 
whatsoever. The mind was made for that purpose,. Then innately, its notion of 
truth is not neutral, it is linked to values. We can not avoid that. ?hat? why 
assumptions or premises, slowly become dogmas.? 



There are funny examples. Democracy for example, can not be just a convenient 
(or the most convenient) way of organizing a society. Once formulated, and 
specially among the people that do not accept other dogmas, Inmediately the 
democatic principle becomes a dogma an a source of wishdom. so the democratic 
decissions can not go wrong. Many people says: The people can not go wrong!! 












economy and simplicity homogeneity principle 



2013/1/16 Stephen P. King 


On 1/15/2013 9:13 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 


?'that there is something fundamental that has particular properties is 
unscientific dogma'. 


Then everything is unscientific. because no human knowledge can be expressed 
without?nproven?remises at the bottom. 


Dogmas are not axioms neither premises, neither assumption, but the latter tend 
to become dogmas. This has been a constant in history no matter where it is 
applied. ? 




Dear Alberto, 

?? I argue that we can test the results of these dogmas, axioms and other 
assumed-to-be-true concepts by their logical consequences in models of the 
theories that can be formed from them. We just have to give up the idea that we 
can have absolute and infallible knowledge and accept partial and approximate 
notions of truth. We can see in the history of mathematics and science how is 
is the weakening of absolutist assumptions that has lead us to better knowledge 
of the world, so why do we keep kicking against the pricks? 

?? 


2013/1/15 Bruno Marchal 


'that there is something fundamental that has particular properties is 
unscientific dogma'. 




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