On 16 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Specific properties, at least down here, are needed
if you accept Leibniz' dictum that identical entities cannot
exist in this contingent world, for they would have the same identity.
I'm inclined to say that that is also true in Platonia,
which would be a disaster, for you could not say 1 = 1.
A saving grace might be that one of those 1's is before,
and the other, after the equal sign. That is, the numbers
are distinguished by context.
I agree with all what you say here. Tell this to Stephen.
Note that we are distinguished by context too.
Bruno
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1/16/2013
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On 13 Jan 2013, at 20:14, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/13/2013 2:02 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/13/2013 12:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
OK. My point is that if we assume computationalism it is
necessarily so, and constructively so, so making that hypothesis
testable.
We have the logical entaiment:
Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams ->
physical reality/matter -> human biology -> human consciousness.
It is a generalization of "natural selection" operating from
arithmetical truth, and in which the physical reality is itself
the result of a self-selection events (the global first person
indeterminacy).
This generalizes both Darwin and Everett, somehow.
But you stop one step too soon.
Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams ->
physical reality/matter -> human biology -> human consciousness ->
arithmetic.
That there is something fundamental is unscientific dogma.
Brent
Hi,
I agree with Brent but would refine the point to say that 'that
there is something fundamental that has particular properties is
unscientific dogma'.
A dogma is only something that you cannot doubt or question.
Now something fundamental without properties is just meaningless. In
my opinion. How could anything emerge from something without any
properties?
You have not been able to explain this, up to now.
Bruno
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