On 21 Jan 2013, at 17:53, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> You confuse theology and post 500 occidental use of the field.
There is no such field of study. There are experts in literature and
experts in the behavior of bronze age tribes but there are no
experts in the "field" of theology because there is no knowledge
there to impart. There is no there there. And I don't understand
your grudge with occidental civilization, western religions are not
significantly stupider than eastern religions.
> Theology is mainly perverted since 523
Speaking of confusion, I am using the word "theology", as you admit
in the above, as it has been used for the last 1500 years. If you
insist on redefining common words (like God and theology) and give
them your own private meaning then confusion is inevitable; we need
a language to communicate and a language known to only one person is
useless.
If you define theology as the term is used after its political
perversion, then I agree trivially with you. I use it in the sense of
Plato, who introduced its "modern" meaning, ecen if that meaning has
been hidden by politics.
You just confirm again that atheists defend the Roman terminology and
theories. you need to believe in the Fairy Tale Christian God to make
you feel serious in disbelieving it. You confuse a science with your
contingent and obscurantist (as you agree) religious education. You
should let it go.
> Theology did come up with the idea that there is a reality,
That is one ridiculous statement! With or without theology people
had no trouble figuring out that there is a reality, so did snails.
Impossible, or comp is false. No machine can ever figure out that
there is anything without postulating it by faith. The fact that such
postulation is unconscious makes this counter-intuitive, but with comp
it is provable with mathematical logic.
Here you betray that you really believe, in the pseudo-religious
sense, in Aristotle theology.
You confirm my feeling that atheists might be only *naive* christians
which are deeply unaware of their faith. You really can't doubt that
there might be any other notion of "God" than yours, even to
disbelieve in, and apparently you can't doubt that reality might not
be WYSIWYG.
Bruno
> and that reason can unravelled it, or a part of it.
I didn't think it was possible but that statement is even more
ridiculous! Science had to fight every inch of the way against
theology and theologians and the fight still isn't over. If you
can't immediately figure out how something can be the way it is
theology advises you to just give up and say "God did it"; in other
words theologians are intellectually lazy, but fortunately
scientists are not. But they do have something in common, they both
love mysteries. Theologians love mysteries because they like to
wallow in ignorance, scientists love mysteries because it gives them
something new to try to figure out. That's why particle physicists
would be absolutely delighted if the LHC produced something
mysterious that contradicted something they thought they knew and
will be very disappointed if nothing like that shows up in one of
their detectors. Can you imagine a theologian being delighted to
find something that contradicted his faith? I can't.
> What is your theory?
That theologians are so dumb they can't walk and chew gum at the
same time.
John k Clark
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