On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 4, 2013 9:59:09 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:11:17 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 01 Feb 2013, at 16:42, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Bruno Marchal >>>> >>>> I would think that each universe provides its own distinctive >>>> context to any calculation, including comp. >>>> >>>> >>>> Comp is the assumption that we are Turing emulable. >>>> That notion is made very solid by Church's thesis. >>>> >>>> >>> I don't think that we can assume that a Turing emulation of us is >>> actually "us". To the contrary, a Turing emulation of geometry is not >>> geometry. A Turing emulation of water can be the same as a Turing emulation >>> of water in another Turing emulated virtual world, but no emulated drop of >>> Turing water can ever be a genuine drop of water within the world that we >>> actually live in. It doesn't matter that 17 is still prime when you are >>> dying of dehydration. >>> >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> Still trying to understand your theory better. What's your position on >> the following statements: >> >> - The human brain can be Turing emulated. >> > > I see emulation is a figure of speech rather than a physical reality. Can > fire be Turing emulated? Maybe, but you can only use it to emulate the > cooking of emulated food. I can make a single emulation of fire which will > work for any number of virtual worlds, but none of them can actualize fire > on the level of the machine itself. > Aren't you confusing emulation with simulation? If we emulate a brain in a computer, we can connect its input and outputs to sensors and actuators in the real world. > > So can publicly detectable brain activity be Turing emulated? Sure, but it > is a sculpture. > I see what you mean, but more on that later. > > >> - There is some (possibly mysterious) link between the physical human >> brain and consciousness. >> >> > The human brain is the public facing spatial presentation of human quality > awareness. It's not a link between them because they are actually the same > thing, only expressed publicly rather than privately. > Ok. I'm ok with that. I would still call it a link, but no nitpicking is necessary. > > It's a bit confusing since private awareness is longitudinal through all > time whereas public structures are orthogonal - latitudinal across all > space but constrained to as single instant of time. > > See if my post from last night makes it clearer: > http://multisenserealism.com/2013/02/04/chalmeroff-scale-revisited/ > Interesting post. You say: "In other words, an experience is ineffable when the subject derives meaning from generated information which supervenes on an extensive personal history." So my question is, why can't the generated information supervene on an emulation of my brain? > > Craig > >> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@**googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
