On 05 Feb 2013, at 19:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:51:10 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/2/5 Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be>
On 05 Feb 2013, at 14:34, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
There's nothing wrong with science as science.
But a problem arises when you apply the results to theology.
Two completely different worlds.
That's indeed a point where string atheists agree with string
christian. Let us try to be not serious on theology, so we can
assert the fairy tales. Strong Christian are happy because they
feel like they can contradict the scientific evidences, and the
atheists are happy so they can continue to mock the christians, and
continue to sleep on their own (materialist) dogma.
You put meaning in atheism which is not there... an atheist can
perfectly be an idealist... materialism is not part of the
definition of atheism.
Definition here are often contradictory. Some years ago, the
definition keep changing.
Can you give me the name of an atheist who is idealist?
I would consider Sam Harris and Daniel Dennet idealists, in the
sense that the ideal is reduced to function rather than a material.
That is not idealism. That's only the common functionalism.
Idealists believe that matter is a production of the mind. Dennett
made clear that he is physicalist, naturalist, and weak materialist.
I don't know any scientist being idealist, and even in philosophy of
mind, most dictionaries describe it as being abandoned.
That explain probably why people take time to swallow the consequences
of comp. Comp is the favorite theory of the (weak) materialist, and so
it is hard for them to get that comp and materialism, and the usual
weak Occam razor, are contradictory.
Bruno
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Quentin
That does not give much place for the genuine inquiry, I think.
Bruno
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On 2/4/2013 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:30, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi John Mikes
�
It says
�
"The Fabric of Eternity is the author's personal view of the
Universe that allows for science and theology to explore the
wonders of creation in peaceful unison.'
�
IMHO that is completely misguided, because the worlds they
understand燼re separate magisteria, to use�
Stephan Jay Gould's phrase.� Science deals with the physical
world, and theology deals with
the nonphysical world.
Only an Aristotelian can say "science deals with the physical
world". This sums up physicalism.
A Platonist says that science is just the modest tool/method to
deal with any subject.
Except it was Plato who thought he could understand the world by
just thinking about it, while it was Aristotle who went out to
observe and let the world teach him.� So who was modest and who
was arrogant?
Brent
Allowing the abandon of science in the theological field can only
be an invitation to the bad faith in there, and to the "don't
ask" mentality.
Bruno
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