On 19 Feb 2013, at 23:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
wrote:
On 2/18/2013 11:03 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
wrote:
On 2/18/2013 11:47 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
If God is arithmetical truth, then what if anything is there to
be said
about its "character"? I know from a formal perspective the
answer is
nothing, because nothing formal can be said about truth.
This is more of an informal question, and comes out of my innate
desire
to anthropomorphize.
Why would you suppose that your desire to anthropomorphize is
anything
other than wishful thinking? Do you also have a desire to
anthropormorphize
the periodic table? the solar system? the infinitesimal calculus?
Within comp, there are many minds that have infinite computations
resources at their disposal. They can evolve forever, and
approach infinite
intelligence and knowledge.
You're just making this up.
I'm not. Look in the universal dovetailer and you will find such
intelligent processes with unlimited memory and processing at their
disposal, in fact you will find an infinite number of them.
The evidence is that smarter people tend to have fewer children
and so
evolution doesn't necessary favor intelligence. It is also quite
possible
that evolution always leads to a stage of species growth which so
exploits
the environment of its planet that is goes extinct within a few
hundred
thousand years.
I don't see how this is an argument against my assertion that there
exist
intelligences with infinite computational resources (assuming
arithmetical
realism).
The physics of holographic universes suggest that computations are
limited by the number of bits of information available for
computation. At present the limit appears to be 10^120 bits, the
so-called Lloyd limit, and with future prospects of less than 10^122
bits based on the cosmology constant (or Dark Energy).
Richard
That argument can make sense in some non-comp theory, but does not if
you assume comp.
We don't assume a primary universe, only arithmetic which contains all
emulations of all computations. The physical appearances come from it,
viewed from inside.
Your remark is interesting, but don't make Jason's point invalid.
Local computational bounds have to be explain from arithmetic.
Bruno
They all explore the same mathematical truth and thus having the
same data
(that of mathematical truth they explore) together with near
infinite
intelligence, they are almost never wrong on any question or
matter. Thus,
despite possibly different origins, they are all of a like mind,
opinion,
and possibly character. The number of fundamental questions on
which these
super intelligence disagree goes towards zero as their
intelligence goes
towards infinity.
With infinite computational power, these God-like super
intelligences have
the power to save other beings (regardless of what universe the
other being
hails from). These God-minds are in a position to help, and thus
responsible for the outcome if they fail to act. There is much
suffering of
conscious beings in the physical universes. With infinite
computing power
at their disposal, these super intelligences can determine re-
create any
conscious being from the moment of its physical death and
ressurect it to a
existence of that being's desires. This is not to say this is
what they
would do, but if it is the right decision to make, then nearly all
super-intelligences will agree it is the right thing to do and
will do it.
Right by whose measure?
Right according to the minds of the super intelligences. It is
said when
intelligent people disagree it is due to a difference in data.
Well these
intelligences have access to all the same mathematical truth. If
you define
intelligence as the probability of being correct on any given
question, then
super intelligent entities ought to always agree, on questions of
math,
theories of mind, theology, morality, what's right and what's
wrong, etc.
If God doesn't love me and mine why should I care what he loves?
Maybe those God(s) do love you.
When people talk about God-minds deciding what is right I reach
for my
gun.
That's nice, but it doesn't really add anything to this debate.
In this sense, there can be a anthropomorphic character to
mathematical
truth, which comes into existence an infinite number of times and
ways but
in most appearances, behaves similarly to all its other
incarnations.
Brent
Peter: What would you say if I told you that the universe is
the creation of an all powerful, all knowing being, who commands
our obedience and worship.
Curls: I'd say you were about to take up a collection.
--- Johnny Hart, in B.C.
You are clearly prejudiced against they theory which even has the
whisper of
what you associate with theories from some religions. In many
cases, such
prejudice might prove helpful but when science/logic lend support for
theological theories this prejeduce becomes anti-scientific.
Jason
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