Craig, What UV looks like will depend on how it is transduced into the nervous system. I could add a new opsin into your blue cones and it would appear to be a shade of blue. Or, I could achieve the transduction in such a way that UV doesn't confuse with blue. In which case UV will look different from other colors *in way you cannot describe because you don't have access to how you condition your behavior based of the intensity of UV light. *
I've told you in a rudimentary form what is required to build a system that has drives and motivations, from parts that are inanimate. Nature has constructed such a device using 302 neurons. It learns, and it has motivations. Is your argument here that if we model the nematode deterministically, its ability to learn and its biological drives will vanish like smoke? Because if so, I'd bet good money that you're wrong. Drives are traceable to electrochemical gradients "trying" to resolve themselves, driven by thermodynamic laws. Logic is how the pipes are connected up, desire is the water pump. Furthermore, deterministic does not equal logical. There is no logic behind why opposites attract, even though this logically leads to like dissolving like. Whatever axioms there are in this universe, they are not logically justified. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:42:53 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 9/3/2013 12:32 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote: >> > Telmo and Brent, >> > >> > The Humean quote sums it up nicely. You can think of a human as a >> collection of desires >> > and a reasoning process that arbitrates between and attempts to realize >> them. In the >> > process of reasoning, one might bring about new desires, but reasoning >> is always >> > employed by desires one currently has. >> > >> > Just couple days ago I was trying futilely to logically deduce what it >> is that I should >> > want to do, I realized that "logic is the servant of desire," (im not >> quite as eloquent >> > as hume, it seems...) and to find a logically justified want is futile. >> Desire is >> > inherently illogical. >> >> I'd say "extralogical". That doesn't mean though that your desires >> aren't caused (by >> evolution, by metabolism,...). Many of them may even be predictable - >> that's how >> advertising agencies make a living. >> > > *Your* desires can be included in your experience by evolution, etc, > provided that desire in general exists as a possibility in the universe. No > amount of statistical reproduction of inanimate objects or unconscious > machines could cause a desire to appear out of nowhere though. Could it? > Why would it? > > Craig > > >> >> > Turns out Hume beat me to this insight by quite a bit, but I suppose he >> had a head start, =p >> > >> > It seems that if we were completely logical, we would simply cease to >> function >> >> Dostoevsky beat you to that one, "If everything on Earth were rational, >> nothing would >> happen." But he had a head start too. :-) >> >> >> Brent >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/jDy5twbibkQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
