On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:05:47 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:51 AM, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net<javascript:>>
> wrote:
> > On 10/29/2013 4:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> >
> > But this is how I see the concept of Übermensch. The idea got horribly
> > distorted by subsequent political events. The ideal of Übermensch is a
> > human that transcends the illusion and becomes aware of it's true (1p)
> > nature. I also see it as close to Buddhist ideas.
> >
> >
> > I certainly agree that Nietzsche's Ubermensch has been horribly
> distorted.
> > Although anybody who is claimed as a philosophical ancestor by the Nazis
> and
> > Ayn Rand must have been doing something wrong. :-)
>
> Just to defend Ayn Rand a bit :) :
>
> The Nazis and Ayn Rand are ideological opposites. The former were for
> total state, while the latter was against state.
I think that the appearance of opposition is trivial. Hitler supported
private corporations, and abolished labor unions to empower them. Should
Rand's ideology ever rise to the level of popularity that Nazism enjoyed,
the result would be almost indistinguishable I think. I'm not sure why
people fail to see that the only thing separating a wealthy person from a
government is the pretense of serving the public. Without a populist voice,
any individual who can monopolize some resource would become a de facto
government ("tryanny") in a web of allied tyrants ("feudalism").
> Also there's the
> small matter of genocide vs. writing some books.
Well, Hitler wrote a book first. Hard to pull off genocide one putsch at a
time.
Recent events have
> been showing that Rand was on to something with many of her ideas:
>
> "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the
> stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while
> the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the
> darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
> -- Ayn Rand
>
If governments seem free in comparison to ordinary people, it is only
because it is in the interests of the top 0.01% of the world's wealthiest
for the rest to believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
> My main problem with Rand is that I find objectivism childish. She was
> a hardcore Aristotelian and didn't understand the problem with her "no
> contradictions" dogma. But I'm a lover of individual freedom, so I
> have a soft spot for her.
>
I identified with her irreverence toward the status quo. That changed
gradually as I was exposed more to her beliefs and their implications.
Craig
>
> > But the Buddhist idea is
> > to withdraw from the world. Nietzsche's idea is to engage it, amor
> fati.
> > The will to power is the creative drive. To create art. To create
> oneself.
>
> Well put.
>
> Telmo.
>
> > Brent
> >
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