On 08 Nov 2013, at 20:10, Richard Ruquist wrote:

The 10^120 bits for the holographic visible universe is based on the Planck Scale
and is the number of Planck Areas on its surface.
Penrose estimates that it will maximize
at 10^122 in the future.


Yes, but with comp, the visible universe is a tiny part of reality. The tip of the iceberg, as we say.

Bruno




Richard



On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

On 08 Nov 2013, at 06:51, LizR wrote:

On 7 November 2013 23:43, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

On 07 Nov 2013, at 04:40, Richard Ruquist wrote:

I have no idea what the information capacity of a MWI multiverse is.

0, in Gods' eye.

Surely the information capacity of the multiverse is equivalent to the information needed to specify the laws of physics?

It is the information you need to define addition and multiplication. OK, it is a bit more than 0.




I would guess the information capacity of all possible multiverses would either be zero or perhaps whatever information is stored in maths (although I guess that could be considered as zero).

It has to be a little above zero, as you cannot specify math from no axioms at all.




Infinity, from inside, and our partial relative position.

Surely the information capacity as seen from our particular position isn't infinite, although it is very large? I've heard the figure 10^120 bits mentioned for the visible universe, which is - I assume - all we currently have even potentially available.

But the visible universe is like a dust, compared to the non visible realities ... Also, 10^120 is a very rough estimate, and makes no sense if there are continuous observable.

Bruno







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