On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 11/10/2013 1:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 10 November 2013 21:40, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Look, I hope global warming is not that serious, because if it is, >>>> it's game over. Big government is most definitely not going to solve >>>> it. I think you know this too. There isn't a magical point where to >>>> government gets so big that it starts doing the right thing. If it's >>>> very small, at least there's less opportunity for the already >>>> ultra-rich to further their interests with our tax-money, like they do >>>> at the moment. >>>> >>> There is however a point at which a problem gets so big that even >>> politicians realise they should do something about it, for their own >>> sakes. >> >> But if the global warming models are correct, that is already too >> late. If I understand the most common models correctly, it _is_ >> already too late. > > > Why don't you read what the IPCC reports actually say. It's too late keep > CO2 below 450ppm. It's too late to prevent a temperature rise of 2degC. > That doesn't mean it's too late to save civilization.
Alright, I was being a smart-ass about it because every few years we receive this message that we have some window of opportunity of 5 more minutes or we are doomed. The last one was last month at some complex systems conference. As I said before, I am agnostic on this issue for the following reasons: - I am not educated in climate science and I am sufficiently educated in science to understand that it would take years of full-time effort to get to a point where I could judge the merit of climate science research findings by myself -- even there I would probably have to become an insider, because I understand that a lot of key data is never made publicly available; - I am sufficiently knowledgable of complex systems to be skeptical of the predictive power of any complex systems model at our current level of sophistication; - The issue became so heavily politicised that it is basically not reasonable to trust news reporting on either side of it. I am aware of the 5th IPCC report and I am also aware of claims by reputable climate scientists that the models' predictions appear to be deviating increasingly from the observables: http://judithcurry.com/2013/10/30/implications-for-climate-models-of-their-disagreement-with-observations/ I am not invested in disproving global warming. I like to think I am scientifically-minded, so I accept reality whatever it is. I hope it is wrong. I suspect some people want it to be true. Telmo. > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
